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Those kids are adopted by Woody Allen types.

I'm just explaining why elite white parents are willing to pay $35,000 a year to send their kids to private school. Don't shoot the messenger.

Before I sent my child to PS 130, I would need to know if its classmates are good Chinese or bad ... i.e. are they Cantonese, or Fujianese, or Shanghaiese, or what? Tibetan? Inner Mongolian? I wouldn't want to subject it to the wrong kind. Also, should dan dan mien be quite so mushy?

Wait, I thought it was the liberal white elites who are racist? Now you are saying it is a lower class phenomenon?

Can't you at least be consistent in your stupidity?

The last time I was in Chinatown in Manhattan, I recall being surprised by the fact that I only hear the Chinese kids speaking English instead of Chinese. Perhaps the new immigrants can only afford the Chinatown in other boroughs?

bob_d, I KNEW it: you can't even tell the difference between good I-talians (who have garlic-breath and all live north of Canal Street) and bad Chinese (who have fish-breath, AKA dragon breath, as everyone knows, and all live south of Canal Street). They all look the same to you.

Racist.

Sunday, because English is way cooler, so why wouldn't they?

NYCMatt douchebag: "...How about rather than worrying about what schools do 'after school,' just monitor your own children in your own home AFTER SCHOOL?..."

How about because most of the kids attending PS130 rely on the afterschool programs because they HAVE to. The parents often have mutliple jobs and the grandparents (who do not speak English) also help take care of the kids. PS 130 has fantastic academic results - but 80% of the kids qualify for free lunch, and the after school programs are crucial for them. Sorry if they're not rich enough to be parented the way you think they should be, you elitist prick.

"they chose to raise their kids in tribeca....but they don't want them to be surrounded by too many asians"

They DO want their kids surrounded by Asians...they just want those asians saying "Eat here/take home?"

Not to add fuel to the fire but, although I didn't go to that particular school I did attend my school years from 6th through 11th grade in a school that was almost 90% Asian, mostly Chinese but also from Singapore and Taiwan..along with some other Asian countries. Truthfully, it raised the bar for me. Their work ethic was second to none making me try harder and when I went to a different school for my senior year where I had been getting B's and C's I ended up with straight A's. Not easy to move schools in your senior year but we didn't have a choice. I will always appreciate what I learned from my classmates. They made me a better person, my grades higher, some spoke English some didn't. Truly it did not hurt me it helped me. My senior year at a mostly white caucasian school then College was a breeze. I didn't go Ivy League but I did okay, made it in my chosen profession in Manhattan and married a great guy and we have three terrific kids. Not a bad life in my book. Also, we were turned down for our chosen zoned school but I'm hopeful anyway..will make the best of it and appreciate whatever I can give my kids..mostly parental guidance and good values and love...pay for private if I really think it's not going to work out. However, I see a lot of racist comments here and it makes my stomach churn..chill out with the racist commentary life really is a melting pot and hopefully if you think you got lemons you'll be smart enough, as a parent, to make it lemonade. Good luck with everyone who is upset about this..it's not the only part of the city this happened in.

Leslie: do you have an email I can reach you at (may be able to help with the school thing)? Or you can email me at nyc 10023a at yahoo dot com.

"Their work ethic was second to none making me try harder and when I went to a different school for my senior year where I had been getting B's and C's I ended up with straight A's."

They are good at working, which will make them great engineers and computer programmers, but they won't get promoted because they don't know how to schmooze.

At the $35,000/year elite private high school, children learn how to talk to other elite children, which will help them schmooze their way to high paying jobs where they don't to any real work and not get stuck their whole life working as a computer programmer.

bigot bob:

the days of the world rewarding schmoozers are ending--employees who are of little exclusive, unique, intrinsic value are/will soon be a commoditized capital item; bought where available cheapest.

check the current IB training program classes--check young mckinsey associates--
few caucasian americans, let alone connected scmoozy bluebloods--

you are an anachronism

Youj don't schmooze your way to a job through personal charm and the ability to BS; you get it because your dad either owns a big chunk of the place or sits on a board with the guy who owns a big chunk. People whose parents don't own the world are better off training as engineers than going to a finishing school. You make absolutely no sense, stop projecting your racist assumptions.

"hopefully if you think you got lemons you'll be smart enough, as a parent, to make it lemonade"

just to be clear, that's the only problem i had with these people. they are free to feel dissapointed and sad and whatever, but this what happened, this the situation, move forward from this point. don't run to the press like a f8cking brat and whine about it. and if you're a racist or classist ass, which is your right, keep it to yourself!

"bigot bob"

I'm explaining why other people are willing to pay $35K/yr to send their kid to a private school when there's an Asian school with really high test score they can send them to for free.

So you're just insulting the messenger here.

"People whose parents don't own the world are better off training as engineers than going to a finishing school."

Yes and no. Reread the NYMag article about the "bamboo ceiling". Harvard doesn't admit people solely on SAT scores and achievement test scores. They want "well-rounded" applicants and they prefer the 1300 SAT candidate with sports and other upper class activities on their app rather than the Asian nerd with a 1450 SAT who just spent all his time studying. Call be "bigoted" all you want, but it seems to me that Harvard's admissions committee is where the anti-Asian bigots are.

http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/index.html

"Applicants can distinguish themselves for admission in a number of ways. Some show unusual academic promise through experience or achievements in study or research. Many are "well rounded" and have contributed in various ways to the lives of their schools or communities. Others are "well lopsided" with demonstrated excellence in a particular endeavor—academic, extracurricular or otherwise. Still others bring perspectives formed by unusual personal circumstances or experiences."

...and yet Asians are EXTREMELY over-represented relative to their percentage of the population at Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Cal... FAR more so than whites. Epic fail. And in California, the rich suburbs of Silicon valley have about 5X as many people of East and South Asian descent versus there percent of the population. And per capita and household and family incomes are all MUCH higher than whites. Epic fail 2. Third, as was said, the newly hired classes at Goldman and JP Morgan and McKinsey and Google and e everywhere else prestigious? Very disproportionately kids of Chinese and Indian descent. Like, MORE than the white dudes. EPIC FAIL.

Yuck. All this stuff from people like bob-d makes me sick. Maybe I misread your comment then other people did too. My husband went to Harvard and when I show him this he will be sick too. NYC 10023 I will e-mail you directly. I do need some help..just not sure what kind yet..all I know is we will figure it out. I believe that we are responsible for ourselves and our families if we choose to have kids it's up to us as parents to figure out what is best for them. FYI I know my husband's grades were not fantastic, his test scores were, his ability to create is what we all think really got him.. certainly a very bright man. One of the things that attracted him to me the most before I knew which schools he went to, what kind of money he made or any of that stuff. What is going on with all the ethnic stuff? Absolutely just my two cents and I know that..think what you want..at least we can all do that for ourselves and have this kind of forum to discuss things.

Agreed.

The racism is disturbing.

Schmoozing in Mandarin would help a kid today get ahead.

Bobs say things as they are, the reality is sad. Most people don't really accept people that are different from them, maybe just enough to make them look ok. And by the way, most people don't like to her the truth, because it's not convenient most of the time. And I prefer smart people than shmoozers.

I meant to hear the truth..

Japanese was the business language of the future in the 80s. Then it was Russian (briefly). Now Mandarin. What,ever. The sun will never set on English. Never. Nev,er.

Hi NYC10023...I tried e-mailing you but it was returned to me. Perhaps I got your e-mail wrong? Sorry, know this is off topic for everyone else.

It's nyc10023a

alanhart: "The sun will never set on English. Never. "

Now THAT is racist. I respect the Chinese enough that I believe they can become the next world superpower and leave us in the dust.

And they call me a "bigot." Ha.

Now you're being unpatriotic!

I'm racist against all wiener twitters.

What makes it so hypocritical is that I fully support boob tweeting.

Do you Truth-fully support the twit of one big tit?

Schmoozing in English > Schmoozing in Mandarin.

Ability to schmooze in both English and Mandarin on the otherhand ... that's one hell of a combination ...

I've got the hell of a combination going on right here sister, but I keep losing my job for tweeting pics of my hairy wiener to underage kids.

Btw, I never shave the right nut cause it's got a tell tale mole..... In the shape of (use your imagination).

>What makes it so hypocritical is that I fully support boob tweeting.

I personally find it amazing that a dirty hairy ape can twitter. I'd imagine that the ape's monkey kids might have small enough fingers, but whether it's the iphone or a blackberry, aren't an ape's fingers just too wide to tweet?

The best part about this thread is that most people obviously don't know shit about downtown parents and the schools in the district.

So here are a few facts which I'm sure the clueless posters will ignore as inconvenient to the discussion and go back to trading racism barbs.

What middle school receives the most applications from PS234 5th graders? MAT (PS126M).

That's in Chinatown. Not the nice, touristy, might-as-well-be-Little-Italy Chinatown, but the wedged between public housing projects, other-side-of-Madison with no subways anywhere Chinatown. It's full of Asians, blacks and whites. Most of them are free-lunch kids. An odd choice for these racist parents.

Which downtown elementary PTA has the most funding per child? PS234

Many really well of downtown parents actually do send their kids to public school. Many of PS234 parents are really rich, most are very comfortable. Most of these parents could choose to send their kids to private school.

Downtown has lots of great public elementary schools, including PS130 and the new schools that have been built, that's not the issue.

It's pretty simple: PS130 is more than one mile from PS234

People want to send their kid to the school in the neighborhood. Being involved in your school is much more likely if you live near it. They want to get to know the staff and teachers, to give their money and time. They really want to send their other kids to the same school so they enjoy the benefits of this even more.

Continuity, stability, community. Hardly evil, hardly laughable.

One Fking mile! I'm a lazy racial integrator, don't keep in touch with friends more than $7 cab ride. Sorry black friends, it aint your color its the fact you live so far away. I won't send my kids to war if it's more than 1k mile. Harvard, too far. Columbia or bust.

For a good wiener I'd travel though.

Continuity, stability and community..... Where have I heard that before, oh yeah Augusta golf club. Nice

Wiener barbs any day anytime anywhere..... Bring it.

you don't barb wieners, w67th, you skewer them.

Can't you radical feminists (yes, aboutready, I'm talking to YOU) just relax and take a valium and smile instead of joining S.C.U.M. and advocating for the skewering of wieners?

Goddamned Women's Lip radicals.

Well said JDAS. I live in Tribeca and my 2 children atten ps130. My neighbors protesting sending their children to ps234 do so because of convenience and community. Many families in Tribeca are mixed ethnically / culturally. Race isn't an issue. JDAS hit the nail on the head...."The best part about this thread is that most people obviously don't know shit about downtown parents and the schools in the district..."

...."The best part about this thread is that most people obviously don't know shit about downtown parents and the schools in the district..."

in defense of those judgmental people, i think their position is that "downtown" parents may be lacking just a tad in the self awareness department.

Quotes from a few affected families do not necessarily reflect the views of every family with an alternative offer. If we were in a similar position, what would worry me are 2 things 1) Longer walk and 2) lack of outdoor playspace. I enjoy the luxury of getting to school with 3 kids in 3 minutes flat, rain, snow, whatever. I think the other possible schools are closer than 130. Lack of outdoor playspace - don't need to say more.

lucillebluth: In defense of judgmental people such as yourself, I think our position is that you may be lacking just a tad in the "knowing what the fuck you're talking about" department.

I think Anthony is proud of his JUNK and happy for you to coo at it's size. So....when do you grab you cell phone, snap a quick pick of your underwear ensnared divining rod and drop it onto the net?

What's the motivation?
Hey Anthony....howd you get the name weiner?

Some times a picture is worth a thousand...no a million words.

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lucillebluth: In defense of judgmental people such as yourself, I think our position is that you may be lacking just a tad in the "knowing what the fuck you're talking about" department.

like in general? or just this particular issue?

oh lucille.

"Quotes from a few affected families do not necessarily reflect the views of every family with an alternative offer."

whoever said they did?

" Lack of outdoor playspace - don't need to say more. "

i actually did stop paying attention a while ago so not being snarky, but 290 still has no outdoor playspace right? another overcrowded highly desirable school. i don't understand why you are going to such lengths to defend idiots who are so stupid.....how stupid are they? they are so stupid that they said what they said in the paper and gave their names. about a school their children will now likely be attending. you know what *i* miss about old new york? when stupid people at least possesed the basic instinct of self preservation.

oh huntersburg. what's your take on this anyway? do you see yourself in the shoes of any of the parents interviewed? would you do that?

Schools in Tribeca or Chinatown aren't my battle. But people in NYC should keep in mind, these are public schools in a city-wide system based on city-wide tax dollars. Anyone getting better than the average ought to be grateful.

lucillebluth: "...like in general? or just this particular issue?..."

In your specific case, both, please.

hmm...i'm not sure you're familar with the apporpriate range of my opinions to really make that statement. it seems a little judgemental.

"But people in NYC should keep in mind, these are public schools in a city-wide system based on city-wide tax dollars. Anyone getting better than the average ought to be grateful."

funny you should say that because that's pretty much the gist of what i think is upsetting the "judgementals" in this case. the assumed and expected separation of class and race within a single public school system.

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lucillebluth: "...those parents knew the score..." Yes, and the 'score' that they knew and had been told was = 234 is doubtful but worth trying for, but since that probably isn't realistic, we have you covered for either 276 or 397. THAT was the 'score.' And at that time, the parents had plenty of other options to investigate. 130 wasn't mentioned, discussed, brought up, or even remotely in any way whatsoever hinted at as a possibility/probablity. It wasn't part of 'the score.' If it had been, the 'score' might have included looking into other options, should those parents have decided to do so.

i don't know how familiar you are with this situation or the school situation in new york in general,or how much time and energy you have spent getting a handle on topics like new york public school capacity, scores, facilities, and admission, but it would have required neither brilliant powers of deduction nor any unique insider information to arrive at the obvious conclusion that there is a very good chance their child will not be placed in ANY of the "desirable" overcrowded schools downtown.

“The brutal reality is that no one has any kindergarten seats Downtown,”

any remotely alert parent would have known this long before things got to this point. only ignorance, denial, or a sense entitlement of psychotic proportions could have prevented parents from exploring ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM both public and private.

There are precious few gen-ed options that are available for parents who don't get into their zoned school.
Private affordable = Catholic (is it okay not to want to send your kids to Catholic?)
Yes, there are private schools with generous aid, but I wouldn't characterize them as a sure bet.

What is there to investigate apriori? On the UWS, there is exactly ONE public gen-ed by lottery (MSC). The others are by lottery, only after all zoned kids are taken (and I'm not even sure that there are any within 40 blocks of the oversubscribed UWS schools that have seats open by lottery). The other issue is siblings - lottery-ing into a school or alternate placement. You're often better off getting an alternate placement because of stronger sibling policies.

From what I've read, 130 could easily have filled its kids without the waitlisted 234 kids. The issue is that they were not allowed to do so. This is very problematic because if the 234 kids don't end up going there and if the kids who would have taken those seats have made other arrangements - guess what? School may show up as underutilized and tada - charter! Instead of placing the blame on parents, the blame here squarely falls on the DOE. They were well aware of the shortfall and could easily have made announcements in the fall as to their alternate placement policies.

Oh, and applying for a variance? Not that easy.

"This is very problematic because if the 234 kids don't end up going there and if the kids who would have taken those seats have made other arrangements - guess what? School may show up as underutilized and tada - charter! Instead of placing the blame on parents, the blame here squarely falls on the DOE"

you have 2 if's resulting in a possible maybe......the blame for which falls on the doe....the blame for what exactly? the inconvenience of a slightly longer walk to school? the indignity of one's precious snowflakes being equal for all intents and purposes to a bunch of chinese immigrants? the blame for what???? their kids are going to an excellent PUBLIC school in a city where excellent PUBLIC schools are few and far between. it's wonderful that it takes you 3 minutes to get your kids to school. it's really really special. but what planet are you living on if you think this is what every parent in the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM can and should expect for themselves?

Lucille, m'dear, apparently you don't get it.

Spending $5 million on your loft in TriBeCa entitles you to special treatment always and forever, amen.

Lucille

you should really stop this about now- I know who you are (kw) and I see you in all of the articles

I am a very concerned parent who goes to PS 130 and you are spreading hatred and don't even know what you are saying-

Trust me, stop this now.

Min Lee

"I am a very concerned parent who goes to PS 130"

When do you expect to graduate?

i'm not quite sure how to respond to that, except that my initials are not kw. and this kw person should probably be notifed that a crazy person is "seeing" them.....places and making vague and creepy threats.

Sincerely,
Lucille Bluth

Min lee. Please do elaborate. Who else on SE would like to know who is Lucille/hfs?

i have a very serious question. do you believe that "lucille" is a fictional character made up by hfcwhatever.....or were hdfcsdg and others made up by lucille?

Here's a serious answer

Fuck you

also, min lee, if you could please express in your own words your impression of the "hatered" you are seeing in my posts.

seriously, lol, cc. how long have you waited for that? and what will you do with the rest of your evening now that...it's out of you?

come back here immediately you jackasses!!!!

Lucille! SHHH!

She's busy doing her homework right now, as she's attending PS 130, hoping to eventually get into Stuyvesant.

a little concerned for the real kw, though

Fuck you Lucille.

that ship has sailed, cc. am i male or female?

Hilarious.

Who cares?

Fuck you

well, you are accusing me of being someone i am not, and as long as that someone remains an abstract undefined element you can and will continue to do it. if, however, you start to define your impression of this person, it may be easier for me to mock you for being a paranoid nutcase who is also not very bright.

NYCMatt:
"I'm calling them out on their racism."
"The racism is disturbing."
"She's busy doing her homework right now, as she's attending PS 130, hoping to eventually get into Stuyvesant."

NYCMatt,
How do you characterize that last statement you made above?

flattery! everyone knows it's only racism if the thing is bad.

Sunday, Min

These people don't care about the real issues. They are sad little people that hide behind their computers and spew this crap. They have to hate to feel good cause they are so empty.

Matt come up Bronx way son and say some of your crap- see what happens to peeps who are not street smart but think they all that.

Lucille- I caught all your shows on fox and look forward to the movie. you chicken shit- want a voice then speak, and people will listen. you spend all this time hating and all people do is shake their heads at YOU not those parents. Yeah they sound like they have their heads up their asses but at least they care about their kids. who do you care about here?? no one just want to see people hate.

time for you folks to go.

my 2 cents-

If it comes from you, it's bad

lucille, your ability to "see" and "note" racism and/or self-entitlement is rather remarkable. does your sense of superiority seep through your pores and exude? and if it does, does it stink? because your holier-than-thou attitude is f'ng wretched.

where will your little pumpkins go to school?

btw, i'm buying. in central harlem. (sorry w67, believe me the numbers work, i'm stunned, wasn't looking at all, other than the fact that i'm always "looking". also i can put it in a trust or llc so the kid has it, which was my major criteria). but no, my kid will not be transferring from her private school to the local one. go ahead, lucille, tell me i'm a racist.

i won't call you a racist, but i will point out that you are an incompetent and abrasive person who couldn't handle writing the little articles once a month or whatever. why not? wtf is wrong with you? and before you cross over to dark side with your senile friend, remember that i used have a lot of respect for you and your opinion. good luck with the purchase and enjoy your new home.

Which articles min? Which which which!!! I command you to tell me!!!!!

Aboutready, eyes wide open. Good luck. No lip from me. It's the ppl who can't admit we we were ever in a bubble that I got issues with.

lucille, you bitchwad, you don't always see on BU a by-line, no? i was writing 2 to 3 things a day, as well as finding them, and doing a feature piece most weeks with the research involved. but even if i was only "writing the little articles once a month or whatever" how f'ng nervy of you to say that something is wrong with me because i don't choose to do it now.

incompetent? by what measure? what do YOU do, lucille? and i'm not going to judge.

i'm not crossing over to any friend. you have a very limited memory, if you don't recall your comments about my alleged racism. you stun me. your lack of perspective is awesome.

lucille, fuck off. and that comes directly from me, without any consideration of any other person. your overwhelming sense of superiority is insufferable.

ar, please please heed my advice and stop this. this is what you do, it's what you care about. stop embarassing yourself.

eyes wide open indeed, w67. and i wouldn't have bought this except for the fact that it's the same as our rent for a nicer, larger space and it's an indefinite hold (our kid can deal with the price fall out at the end of the day).

believe me, i had no intention of buying. i even had horrible reservations about possibly buying our PCV unit (although i'm really enjoying the adjoining neighborhoods). i'm good with this one. after we close i'll tell you the ppsf.

nice try, lucille. you're very clever.

but in terms of embarrassing myself, i'm not even close to my history.

you're the one who seems to be trying to prove something here. what do i care about? what do you care about? you just seem to be trying to stop me. and your comments are foul. absolutely foul.

somewhere out there a nutty lady who speaks the truth is raising a glass to vindication. holy crap.

lucille.. i'm typing min lee on google.. come out come out wherever u r

w67thstreet, yes, i look as good as you imagine, and no, i am not interested. i'm saving my cheating points for someone really good.

you talk about cheating a lot lucille. maybe dwayne is interested. he seems to have a proper respect for women. and, as you have told us, frequently, you are young and hot.

never mind, you have kids.

It would be interesting to see what actual insiders (parents at said schools & WLed parents other than those quoted at Tri. Trib.) really think. I can only speculate from my perspective as an uptown parent with experience of various DOE shenanigans and admitted sympathy for any WL-ed family.

Pulled up comments from http://www.dnainfo.com/20110527/downtown/city-ships-waitlisted-tribeca-children-chinatown-school.

And voila! KW are the initials of the 2nd commenter.

Mingin/Min Lee - tell us more!

Min Lee tell us MORE! So so sleuthy agent10023.

omg poor kathy. but i want to point out that on the dakota thread ar also accused me of having an agenda.

Yeah, love the JBs. Read Moonraker when I was 9.

so what lucy? your rants are interesting. perhaps you're racist, but you limit your racism? i don't call people racist, generally, unless the evidence is obvious. you, on the other hand, are overwhelmingly quick to call people racist, all sorts of ists, but of course you can do so as someone who can presume that someone is guilty of false accusations of racism. your complexities are not pretty.

kw's existence is not in dispute, she's real dumbass. she's the one min lee "sees" in articles.

Min Lee sounds like a totally made-up name, and really racist at that. Min's been hitting the gin agin

Woah, just hold on. Trying to bring the Dakota into this?

I read the entire brief. And the press. Read the press before the brief. My first reaction was - wonder how he'll make the charge of racism stick considering that he was on board (board pres, even?) The press did make it seem as if his finances were shaky, blabla and also brought in his previous lawsuit. Now, having read the brief, I'm not so sure that he doesn't have a case.

PS130/234. Both great schools. Different parent bodies. A few quotes by parents to the Trib which did not reflect well on the parents. Does this mean that all WL-ed parents who are unhappy about the alternate placement are racist or entitled? I bring to this my admitted bias of knowing people in similar situations in DOE-inflicted education quicksand. The situation would have been better handled had this been done oh, about 8 months ago. In addition, reading the stats quickly, PS130 was able to have an additional K class because their 5th grade will shrink by one. Does this mean that PS130 will be able to accommodate the influx going forward? Don't forget those kids will have younger sibs.

voldemort? really really, kathy... is that the best you got? voldemort? Like a 40 yo man quoting star wars.... time to move on from H Potter.. so so yesterday......

seriously, neurotic parents.... one hit of pot will waylay all your careful planning. It's not you, it's YOUR kid's life. your influence decreases 10% for every year of your kid's life. at 10, you got 0 input. That shirt stealing yuppie working at Ralph Lauren will affect your kid more than all your nagging will ever do. So live a pure life, stay with your sig other, keep your hypocrisy to a min, travel and enjoy... for tomorrow we die.

kathleen really, voldemort?

i'm not actually going to google her to find out wtf you're talking about

>Min lee. Please do elaborate. Who else on SE would like to know who is Lucille/hfs?

Min Lee, does your school allow monkeys in? w67thstreet is looking for a school in NYC that will admit his children. So far he hasn't found any. I suspect your school is no different on this score and wouldn't allow the children of a dirty ape either, but I just thought I'd ask, otherwise those monkeys might have to commute up to Columbia County which is hours away.

no, it's ok they're not halachically monkeys if only their father is a monkey

Is a hallychally monkey related to the rhesus?