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In the Markets: Job cuts loom at Morgan Stanley

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In the Markets: Job cuts loom at Morgan Stanley - The securities business is in a funk--and Morgan Stanley is feeling the worst of it, with its stock price on Tuesday hitting its lowest point since CEO James Gorman took the helm last year. The firm's problems boil down to this: It pays people too much for doing too little. :: http://mycrains.crainsnewyork.com/in_the_markets/2011/06/job-cuts-loom-at-morgan-stanley.php
Response by Socialist
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"The firm's problems boil down to this: It pays people too much for doing too little."

But I thought only the govt. does this and that the private sector is so efficient... Are Morgan Stanley workers in some sort of UNION?

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Response by huntersburg
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It's a private company. Why does it matter to you unless you are a shareholder?

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Response by Sunday
over 14 years ago
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"Are Morgan Stanley workers in some sort of UNION?"

No, that is why it can it can cut as many jobs as necessary to adapt to updated revenue forecasts. It cannot just charge (tax) their clients more to increase revenue like the government.

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Response by Sunday
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"But I thought only the govt. does this and that the private sector is so efficient..."

It's all relative. The expectation for government worker efficiency is much lower.

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Response by Socialist
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They could always just borrow money from the Fed at 0.1% interest. Morgan Stanley is now a "bank holding company" and not an investment bank, so they qualify for dirt cheap money from the Fed.

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Response by gp199
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if any government worker was 1/10th as efficient as an MS front office employee we'd be looking better than Switzerland

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Response by Socialist
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Didn't MS have to get bailed out by the govt. to stay solvent? If it were not for TARP, there would be no MS today.

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Response by Sunday
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Private companies have many options during a down turn, including cut in benefits, pay freeze, pay cuts, job sharing, etc... The Container Store is a pretty good example. I am in no position to evaluate what options are best for Morgan Stanley.

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Response by Socialist
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"Private companies have many options during a down turn, including cut in benefits, pay freeze, pay cuts..."

Except for executives of course...

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Response by Sunday
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Executive pays are cut the most during a downturn. Whether their lowered pay is still too high is another story.

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Response by Truth
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huntersburg: socialists don't believe in the shareholder/private company concept. Good point.

Sunday: another story that is, indeed.

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Response by huntersburg
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>huntersburg: socialists don't believe in the shareholder/private company concept.

I'm not sure they don't believe in it. I suspect they don't understand it. Basically Socialists point is that in this company, it's ok that employees get paid less because the shareholders should be paid more. Socialist wants the shareholders to be paid more.

Actually, he probably doesn't, many who complain really just want the money to have disappeared so that neither the employees nor the shareholders get it.

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Response by Riversider
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It sounds like the cuts are at the retail level. The retail client is not trading and they recognize that.

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Response by Truth
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huntersburg: money disappearing. The easy way out of it all.

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Response by Truth
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Gotta go now.
My prediction for the rest of this night:
The gang members come onto this thread.
They accuse me of rounding up you both, as my slaves.

Even though I don't know your real names or contact info.

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Response by alanhart
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Baglady, stop rounding up the two of them as your slaves.

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Response by anotherguy
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Response by stevejhx
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And, as the stock market & commodities market deflate from the fabulously failed QEII, it's only gonna get worse. Major correction started...you heard it from me first.

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Response by apt23
over 14 years ago
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Meredith Whitney was on CNBC this morning and mentioned that the banks were way over staffed and would have to cut back.

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Response by somewhereelse
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"But I thought only the govt. does this and that the private sector is so efficient... Are Morgan Stanley workers in some sort of UNION?"

Genius... the point is... they can get rid of non-effective employees, and pay less to less-effective ones.

If only the government could do that!

We might have kids who can read.

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Response by Socialist
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How many govt. workers make anywhere enar what a MS i-banker makes?

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Response by Wbottom
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MS has been very inefficient in it's use of the splenderous corporate welfare it has been awarded of the last few years--

thank god those on food stamps are more judicious

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Response by stevejhx
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I just find this article hard to fathom, what with all of the unemployment in the banking sector, that any trader would Just Say No to Stamford.

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Response by Sunday
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stevejhx: "Major correction started...you heard it from me first."

It started a week ago, so the warning is a bit late.

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Response by huntersburg
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>It started a week ago, so the warning is a bit late.

May was a down month.

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Response by huntersburg
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>with all of the unemployment in the banking sector,

I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.

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Response by rb345
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Socialist:

If Bernanke were unable to "print" money at the click of a keystroke to keep the
federal government afloat, Obama would be conducting business today in an unused
Riverside Park Amtrak tunnel underneath the statue of his predecessor, Ulysses Grant.

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