unemployment math

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/76043

If you want to check my math, here's the dept of labor unemployment stats;

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Here's Obama's corporation-pleasing press release this a.m., one year after Murdoch's statements;

"The White House said Thursday it will let undocumented, law-abiding immigrants facing deportation stay in the U.S. and apply for work permits."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/08/19/2011-08-19_dont_boot_them_all_says_bam_students__other_immigs_get_a_break.html

I voted for the guy, but the math just doesn't add up.

As someone who emigrated to this country legally, this ticks me off.

Illegal immigrants don't unionize.

op, how many americant's do you know looking for work pushing lawnmowers and mops? looking after children? delivering food and bussing tables? farm work?

how many?

"how many americant's do you know looking for work pushing lawnmowers and mops?"

i can't exactly peek into people's houses to identify their maids' ethnic backgrounds, but around these parts i see mostly white guys doing lawn work, young to middle aged. the names on their trucks are usually italian but sometimes irish.

as far as childcare and cleaning services, while the women who do those jobs usually speak english with an accent, as far as i know they still legally american, jim. people are much less eager to allow undocumented rootless workers into their homes than you might think. farm work, that's another story and i can't comment on that because i don't know.

>I call BS! They want to keep the immigrants to get cheap, quiet, uncomplaining workers.

...a great amount of busboys, deliverymen , and farm workers are indeed illegal immigrants, but as Jhones points out, who's job are they really stealing.

>As someone who emigrated to this country legally, this ticks me off.

As it does my father and just about every other legal immigrant who "waited on line."

>"The White House said Thursday it will let undocumented, law-abiding immigrants facing deportation stay in the U.S. and apply for work permits."

You never know, a future president may be a child living right now in Illinois, or even Michigan, who's parents are law abiding illegals from Kenya or Botswana and just 2 or 3 decades away from being greatest president ever, bringing great change and hope to the world.

"a great amount of busboys, deliverymen , and farm workers are indeed illegal immigrants, but as Jhones points out, who's job are they really stealing."

what about the people who would have done those jobs in the past?

lucillebluth
32 minutes ago as far as childcare and cleaning services, while the women who do those jobs usually speak english with an accent, as far as i know they still legally american, jim. people are much less eager to allow undocumented rootless workers into their homes than you might think. farm work, that's another story and i can't comment on that because i don't know.

lucille i don't think you know many people in the lawn care business. but if you think the name on the truck means all of the workers are americant's, you are very very naive. and since you don't have any children of your own, i don't think you are qualified to discuss the immigration status of nannies.

i know the people who take care of my lawn, and i know what i see with my own eyes. i have no scientific evidence, but i'm pretty sure i can tell a generic white guy from a stereotypical illegal immigrant. you know for a fact that i have 2 daughters and i know you have 1, so let's not go down THIS road.

and i know for a fact that two plus one equals none

"and i know for a fact that two plus one equals none"

and you guys don't share my concerns about no child left behind. they left behind columbiacounty! i don't blame them, who would want him around, but still!

lucillebluth
28 minutes ago
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report abuse i know the people who take care of my lawn, and i know what i see with my own eyes. i have no scientific evidence, but i'm pretty sure i can tell a generic white guy from a stereotypical illegal immigrant. you know for a fact that i have 2 daughters and i know you have 1, so let's not go down THIS road.

I don't know anything about you for a fact, though I am fairly certain that I have seen you post that you don't have any children.

What does a typical illegal alien look like? Would you be able to spot one out of a lineup of Hispanic people?

"...a great amount of busboys, deliverymen , and farm workers are indeed illegal immigrants, but as Jhones points out, who's job are they really stealing."

Maybe they are stealing jobs from one of these people;

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Am-Currently-Unemployed/80332

Or maybe someone like this:

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-human-toll-of-the-economic-crisis-10-heartbreaking-stories-of-unemployment-and-economic-despair-in-america

I think the "Americans don't want those jobs anyway" line is corporate propaganda.

"though I am fairly certain that I have seen you post that you don't have any children. "

good save. propers.

"What does a typical illegal alien look like? Would you be able to spot one out of a lineup of Hispanic people?"

you know what's funny is that you're making it seem as though i'm being racist or inappropriate, when in fact, YOU ARE. what would a line up of hispanic people look like, jim?

not sure. but you'd be able to tell them apart from the generic white men who mow your lawn right?

needsadvice
4 minutes ago
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report abuse "...a great amount of busboys, deliverymen , and farm workers are indeed illegal immigrants, but as Jhones points out, who's job are they really stealing."

Maybe they are stealing jobs from one of these people;

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Am-Currently-Unemployed/80332

Or maybe someone like this:

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-human-toll-of-the-economic-crisis-10-heartbreaking-stories-of-unemployment-and-economic-despair-in-america

I think the "Americans don't want those jobs anyway" line is corporate propaganda.

listen, the average unemployed american't is lazy, and under educated, and oh yes, did i mention lazy? I am sure that there are plenty of menial jobs out there, but someone who used to have a salary in some mid-level job isn't going to clean toilets.

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Am-Currently-Unemployed/80332

honestly, this was a terrible example. did you actually read any of these before posting?

"but you'd be able to tell them apart from the generic white men who mow your lawn right?"

as per my other post, yes. i can tell them apart from the generic suburban white men i see doing manual labor around here. that's right.

"I am sure that there are plenty of menial jobs out there, but someone who used to have a salary in some mid-level job isn't going to clean toilets."

then i suppose their family qualifies for the darwin awards and deserves to become extinct. good! a job for someone who wants to live. we need more of them.

extinct? dont get carried away. let me know when people start dying of starvation in this country. there is very little to feel sorry for if you live here, compared to say, somalia.

http://noticias.univision.com/estados-unidos/latinos/article/2011-08-17/indocumentado-antonio-diaz-secuestro-albuquerque

lucille, illegal, or beer swilling average joe with a summer tan from working the weedwacker all summer. perhaps you should hold the photo up to hubby after dinner. can you really tell the difference?

yeah, that's a young latino guy. you don't know when you're looking at a blue collar white guy? really? you're so fancy and you mingle with such creme of society that all not rich people look a like to you? interesting.

This fight between my lucille personality and my jim personality has taken a toll on me today.

"perhaps you should hold the photo up to hubby after dinner"

and here you're just being annoying and petty. my husband is a good looking guy. THAT you know for a fact as well.

yes, yes we do

Anyone seen Truth and aboutready lately?

yes, you are right. totally forgot the night he took my out "hogging" as he called it. said his wife was frigid or something. he figured a fat girl would be easy.

what about the somali's?

I better take my medication, my multiple personalities just won't quit on each other. falcogold1, what was the number you gave me for refills?

and now you're just blatanly lying. you know you don't look at girls when you're out "hogging".

and i don't know if somalis are easy or not.

oh my head

Having fun?

right. i dont go hogging. it was your unsatisfied husband. i left him to it and went home to my hot (and legal) south american wife.

that's right, your wife. what part of south america is she from, anyway?

"small misshapen tits" said mr. bluth

"pockmarked and sallow skin"

"slack and under groomed......." said mr. bluth

i'm asking because they must be a really open minded and understanding people. would like to visit one day, if they're all that nice. and i mean, why not? live and let live. of course, *i* would probably have a problem with my husband's long term homosexual relationship. but who am i to push my own values on other people? live and let live, is the way to go.

the warm beachy part

oh my aching head

sounds lovely! so, did you and your top go down there and hand pick her together? how did that work? and how did you guys decide which one would have to marry and reproduce? flip a coin? or was it always a given that it had to be you since he's the bossy dominant, and no way was he going anywhere near a babymaker?

oh my heartburn

Showing off.

oh the window in my shower

ok. your hisband prefers to fuck fat girls. somehow that gives me a boyfriend. good enough.

oh oh, my groin, oooh

oh he's more than good enough, jim. he's a catch, that one. lucky you for snagging him!

I need stronger medicine. Not only do I have multiple personalities, but the husband of one of my personalities is the gay boyfriend of the other. Ooh my head.

The world is messed up I tell you.

This morning I was listening to a talking ape make predictions about the real estate market. A talking ape! Market predictions!

you flatter me. i could never land a man that pretty and elegant.

Well, look on the bright side, 20 years ago we had no Internet, and we had riots in Crown Heights to keep us occupied. Those were the days.

Oh, and prices back then were less than $500psf and Koko was the only talking gorilla known to man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmuu8UEi2ko

Koko, however, did not live on west 67th street.

yes, crown heights. tough neighborhood.

west 67th street, even tougher, but not as rough as columbia county

Op-Ed Contributor
The Heartache of an Immigrant Family
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/opinion/the-heartache-of-an-immigrant-family.html
By SONIA NAZARIO
Published: October 14, 2013
LOS ANGELES — WHEN we talk about immigration to America, we tell a hopeful story about courage and sacrifice. But that story obscures the fact that, especially for the poor, immigration is often a traumatizing event, one that tears families apart.

Consider the experience of one family, originally from Honduras. In 1989, Lourdes Pineda was the single mother of a 5-year-old boy and a 7-year-old girl. She sold tortillas, plantains and used clothes door to door, but barely earned enough to feed her children, and feared not being able to send them to school past the sixth grade. So she made the painful decision to leave them behind in Honduras, and found work in the United States as a nanny, taking care of other people’s children.

Her daughter went to live with her maternal grandmother, her son — Luis Enrique Motiño Pineda — with his paternal grandmother. Enrique, whose story I followed for a book, was devastated. He was passed from relative to relative, left wondering, didn’t his mother love him enough to be with him? In 2000, when he was 16, he set off to find her. It took him eight attempts to cross through Mexico and into the United States — a journey of 122 days and 12,000 miles.

Enrique had left behind someone of his own: a girlfriend, María Isabel Carias Durón, whom he later learned was pregnant. She followed Enrique north a few years later, leaving their daughter, Katerin Jasmín, behind. Enrique was determined that his daughter not endure the long separation he had faced, so when Jasmín was 4, he sent for her to come to Jacksonville, Fla., where the family had established a home.

In the decade after Enrique came to the United States, more migrants arrived than at any time in the nation’s history, fueling a backlash. From 2005 to 2010, nearly a thousand laws were passed by State Legislatures addressing illegal immigration. In 2008, the federal government told all police departments to turn over any unlawful migrants they arrested to federal immigration authorities, a program called Secure Communities. A result: deportations nearly doubled between fiscal 2006 and 2012 to more than 409,000 a year.

And so immigrant families are being separated again, this time in reverse. Parents are being deported to Mexico and Central America, away from United-States-born children.

About 200,000 parents of children who are American citizens were deported between 2010 and 2012, and 5,000 parentless children are now in foster care because their mother or father was detained or deported. An analysis by the Applied Research Center estimates that more than 15,000 children would join them by 2016 if record numbers of deportations continued.

On Dec. 26, 2011, Enrique was partying with friends at a motel when police officers arrived. He had an outstanding arrest warrant for not paying a ticket for driving without a license. (All but 11 states prohibit unlawful immigrants from obtaining a driver’s license.) Enrique was arrested and handed over to federal immigration authorities to be deported. María Isabel was three months pregnant with their second child.

On a Sunday afternoon nearly a year later, Enrique’s mother, Lourdes, arrived at the jail with her grandchildren: Jasmín, then 11 years old, and the 3-month-old baby, Daniel Enrique. I sat with them before video screen No. 9 in a cinder-block visitation stall. The image of Enrique in an orange jumpsuit appeared on the screen.

Jasmín scooted her chair closer, and picked up the receiver to talk. Lourdes lifted Daniel Enrique, with chubby cheeks and tufts of black hair, up to the screen. “Say ‘Hello, Papi,’ ” Jasmín said to her brother. Enrique smiled at his son. “I am your father,” he said. “How is my boy?” Enrique had never been allowed to cradle his son. Later, Enrique told me that when he thought about him, he could feel his arms ache. If he were deported, he agonized, would both his children grow up without their father?

There are huge benefits to migration: mothers who go north are able to send money home so their children can eat and go to school. But there are consequences, too: many of these children deeply resent their mothers for leaving. They feel abandoned, and disproportionately join gangs or get pregnant, searching for the love they feel they missed.

The United States is spending billions on walls that don’t really keep migrants out (a University of California, San Diego, study showed that 97 percent of migrants who want to cross the border eventually get through), and on locking up and deporting people, many of whom return. Border enforcement, guest worker programs and pathways to citizenship haven’t addressed the problem. Instead they have sealed in many migrants who would have preferred to circle back home, attracted temporary workers who never left, and legalized migrants who then brought relatives illegally, causing the number of unlawful migrants to grow.

We can prevent this pain, and slow the flow of migrants permanently, only by addressing the “push” factors that propel migrants, especially women, to leave in the first place — and by helping families like Enrique’s avoid the heartache that his mother’s exodus began a quarter-century ago.

We can start by creating opportunities for women in just four countries: Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, which send three-quarters of all undocumented migrants here. The United States could increase aid to those countries to improve education for girls, which would lower birthrates. It could finance or promote microloans to help women start job-generating businesses. It could gear trade policies to give clear preferences to goods from these four countries. And it could work with hometown associations — groups of immigrants in the United States who want to help the towns they came from — to coordinate a percentage of the tens of billions of dollars that immigrants send home to Latin America each year toward investing in job-creating enterprises. (One Mexican hometown association helped build a factory in Oaxaca, which has employed many would-be immigrants.)

This targeted economic development would cost much less than the billions — $18 billion each year — we currently dole out for immigration enforcement.

For too long, American immigration policy has ensured access to cheap, compliant workers. This has helped spur our economy, but has come at a great cost to taxpayers, as well to the immigrants themselves. We must demand a different approach, one in line with the goal of keeping families intact.

In August, after a total of 14 months in jail, Enrique received a miracle: a visa to stay in the United States legally, thanks to two lawyers, Sui Chung and Michael Vastine, who agreed to represent him pro bono and tirelessly fought his case. Jasmín and María Isabel obtained similar visas two months earlier. Enrique will not be torn from his family.

But imagine the suffering they would have been spared, if Lourdes had never had to come here in the first place.

Sonia Nazario is the author of “Enrique’s Journey: The Story of a Boy’s Dangerous Odyssey to Reunite with his Mother,” recently published in a young adult version.

A version of this op-ed appears in print on October 15, 2013, on page A27 of the New York edition with the headline: The Heartache of An Immigrant Family.