Are Riots Coming Soon to NYC?

Not going to happen for numerous reasons.

1 - Protest is largely irrelevant. How many people have joined? 2000?
Your Wisconsin protests numbered 100,000, and Wisconsin as as state is smaller than NYC

2 - Number of firms headquartered on Wall Street, or around the corner on Broad Street:
None.
If you want to throw in Deutsche Bank, as the U.S. HQ of the German institution, ok you can have them

3 - Look at the makeup of the protesters
Besides being small in number, they are relatively spoiled and educated vs. the truly poor out there. They are also dirty and loud-mouthed - not groups that the average guy in the street really cares about.

4 - NYPD is always a step ahead. Barriers surrounding Wall Street were in place ahead of time, to prevent them from camping out and using that location.

5 - There is no centralization of their organization. As a result, they end up using twitter to organize, and the NYPD can read of their plans in advance. Heck, others can too and play jokes on them like Radiohead.

6 - if 20% of the country is unemployed and underemployed and 80% is employed, some portion of the 80% might have sympathies, but where does that fall on Maslow's hierarchy? They aren't risking their jobs - short or long term - for the dirty hipster protesters.

7 - The math doesn't work. They claim to represent 99%, but how many people who aren't in the top 1% but are a) in the top 10% percent really want to be lumped in with the bottom 90%
b) in the 70-89% group, who are secure, want to be lumped in with the bottom 50%?
c) in the 51-69% group, who are happy to be in the top half, want to lower themselves to associating with the bottom half even if they realize they'll never be in the top 1%?
d) in the 40-49% group don't want to strive for better, rather than fall back into worse, and see that it requires work, not protest.
The makeup of the group is hardly anyone in the bottom 10-20%, and those groups are actually relatively comfortable given their contributions.
So, who does this group represent?

8 - Hippies of the 60s are still protesting hippies today? - no

9 - They tried to take over the Brooklyn Bridge. End sympathy from all the people in that Boro which was the most likely Boro to support this group.

10 - Zucotti park will soon evict them before they get near the 30 day mark.

11 - Winter is coming to NYC.

Well, given that already an eager-bear copper-whopper just couldn't WAIT to pepper-spray people, thinking it would earn him kudos as being A Real American, I'd say you'll get your wish. And it's going to backfire very badly for people like Mr. Copper-Whopper, because the whole world will sit around THEIR TV sets with their mouths open, salivating, saying, "An American Spring.... people finally fighting back in that Third World @#$hole."

Well Cottage cheese uprising is already taken, what's this one called?

There are riots, and there are riots. In London, criminal elements seized control. Is that what you want for NYC?

Well, nyc10023, isn't it what has been happening in Wall street for years and what lead us to "the great recessions" ?

I was there during the London riots. When one, as an innocent bystander, is swarmed by people who are burning, looting, smashing everything around them - I'm not for justifying that as a solution to Wall Street crimes.

Lowery: the Arab Spring folks were horrified by what they saw in London. They did not feel any sympathy towards the rioters. I'm not sure what Socialist is advocating here. Are we, in NYC, likely to get a protest movement that is meaningful or is it just going to be subverted by opportunists?

O.P.'s thread is childish at best, irresponsible at worst. Comes off as a salacious desire for violence.

Some real sources of violence:

1) Middle and upper class kids and their adults buy $100's of millions of illegal drugs which leads to tens of thousands of drug trade/use related deaths... many in other countries... and the deaths include our own troops in Afghanistan...

2) The world's largest financial firms create a ponzi scheme economic environment where if prices don't keep going up and assets don't remain over-inflated they will fail - and then threaten to destroy the world's economy - which would lead to increased crime and violence...

We are surrounded by (and have accepted) very pervasive direct and indirect sources of crime/violence in our society, but then when people take to the streets to protest injustice and fraud, we start worrying about "violence".

This is exactly how the status quo and people in power want you to think and respond.

Blame the protesters and not the real sources of violence: Inequality, lack of opportunity and drugs/alcohol(use and trafficking).

Protesters are unorganized but I suspect they represent a vague sense that something is wrong.

* Geithner, White House and the Fed can't imagine a world without the big banks
* The big banks pushed the envelope in withering away consumer protection and selling dodgy debt
* Fed subsidizing big banks, Gov't doing away with honest accounting(mark to market)
* Banks fighting the deleveraging of the consumer via modifications
* Banks earn money by not lending (25 bps on Fed deposits

The govt rightfully acknowledges that banks provide a vital role, but doesn't acknowledge that they've shifted resources away from vital activities to those that are more profitable. Gov't also rightfully acknowledges that we need banks to lend but doesn't acknowledge they are insolvent and lack of demand for loans.

Organized peaceful protests serve a purpose, banks have the ears of politicians and regulators, Main Street does not.

must be the Bilderberg's .

Inequality isn't a source of violence, rather lack of opportunity is. We still have opportunity and will continue to have opportunity. I'd say we have more opportunity than ever.

If you look at these protesters, they aren't the poor, rather, they are the entitled spoiled middle class +/- youth who don't want to work hard, don't want to study hard, just want to feel like they are contributing to some great cause.

Notice the ethnic makeup of the protesters too. With all of the stop and frisk policies of the NYPD, the arrests for minor pot posession, etc. that impact the black and Latino communities, and their own relative economic positions in society, why haven't we heard the sympathies of the black community or of the various black community leaders and black religious leaders for these protests and against the arrests of the protesters?

The answer is because these protesters weren't there for them. These Johnny come lately "victims" are only there now protesting because all of a sudden the spoiled kids are suddenly realizing that the relative luxuries they had growing up during the affluent 80s, 90s, and last decade - all there for them for relatively low or no cost - is suddenly not there anymore in such abundance, and they might have to work hard. These protesters were never a presence during the decade of wars we had and still have. These protesters weren't protesting people in poverty even during the affluent days. These protesters weren't protesting against hardships of minority communities in the past. These protesters are looking out for their own narrow bunch. And their actual "causes", once you scratch away the thin veneer of complaints against "Wall Street", are simply selfishness, and it will be hard to keep up the fighting spirit of this thin crowd based on selfishness.

First string of cold weather and rain and they'll all move on to whatever it is they do when they aren't "protesting" some vague grievous injustices that they can't quite explain or state a remedy for.

kylewest and huntersburg are correct,imo.

London has been in decline for at least the last 10 years. It reminds me of N.Y.C. in the 1970s-1980s:
Street crime: muggings, chain snatching, sexual assaults, car-jacking, add in home invasion and run-of-the-mill break-ins (car and home).

Now throw in the Islamic bad-guy types. New "Troubles", ( protests,bombings) not the IRA kind.

It's a shite-storm there.
The police (Bobbies) only have sticks. They are scared.
The guys with guns are anti-terrorist squads. By the time they arrive on the scene, all hell has broken loose.

it wouldn't be the protestors that would turn things violent - we've already seen it - violence = pepper-spraying people - I was actually thinking more of the sighs of empathy for protestors in Tianmen Square back in the day, but yes, the Arab Spring protests are out of the same model - if you don't think NYPD can be violent thugs at the flick of a switch, think again

I would not bet on that. We don't have the immigrant out of work Moslem populations of the French and the Brits.

>if you don't think NYPD can be violent thugs at the flick of a switch, think again

The whole department?

if you don't think NYPD can be violent thugs at the flick of a switch, think again--

If you flick the switch, you probably deserve it. Try being a cop in NYC. In my opinion, they do a great job.

I'm not sure what the woman who was pepper-sprayed did to deserve it. You may think she deserved it, but if this turns into the kind of event that people all over the world watch on TV, chances are most will sympathize with the people who get bashed with clubs, dragged around, pepper-sprayed, no matter what they do to bring it on. To answer OP's question, no, I don't think it will turn into riots. I think it's something that people have on their minds, and I think the fear of it is dangerous. So far it's not very eventful. If it goes on and on and on and includes nasty little incidents, it's going to reflect very bad on the US.

bad = badly

Steven Pinker will be at Broadway/82 St B&N on Wed. Why don't you ask him.

Don't F$%k with the NYPD- protestors and terrorists beware

Speaking of police,
Remember that time that apt23 called and lied to the police about her husband illegally purchasing an illegal gun for use in menacing her neighbor who she didn't like? And when they showed up, she said that it wasn't true about the gun, but could they do something about the neighbor even though the police had previously refused to do anything about the neighbor because they said the neighbor wasn't actually doing anything illegal?
I thought it was amazing that, if this story was true as apt23 told it, that she wasn't arrested for making false statements about a crime. I'm also amazed that her husband put up with being accused by apt23.

shame on the nypd for not immediately disowning the piece of shit cop who sprayed those women--but, hey it's garbage like this guy who make deputy inspector

>but, hey it's garbage like this guy who make deputy inspector

So do we need an Inspector General?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/police-chief-ray-kelly-speaks-proposed-nypd-monitor-article-1.1299805

"if you don't think NYPD can be violent thugs at the flick of a switch, think again-- "

"If you flick the switch, you probably deserve it. Try being a cop in NYC. In my opinion, they do a great job."

Shows how much you know about NYC cops. Try again. Believe me, plenty of people who dont "deserve" it get the wrong end of the stick from nyc cops. Obviously idealism from either an unexperienced view or the total opposite: an nyc cop. Pick one.

the answer is they need to just put cams that continually record on police shoulders.
storage is cheap..and so are those cams nowadays. This would make it clear to everybody both police and civilian that everything is recorded, so yes the rowdy person that resists arrests if he gets a beat down, everybody can see his behavior...the overzealous cop that executes w/o a warrant gets busted also.

not hard, not expensive but i doubt both police/anti-police groups want it unfortunately.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2013/06/city-council-passes-inspector-general-and-racial-profiling-bills-with-veto-pro

Stop and frisk is back: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE99U1A120131031?irpc=932

Not really. However, now we really need De Blasio. Given that he has a 40 point lead, which nobody here bothers to mention, I think it's time for hb and scareddumbassnygirl to give that up.

We all know de Blasio has a 40 point lead. Do you really need the obvious stated to you?

No, I don't think that everyone, or even the majority know that he has a 40 point lead. I'm pretty sure that a couple of people on this board have no clue. But don't worry. DeBlasio will disband the NYPD upon inauguration and allow the good libertarian citizens of New York the opportunity to pay for their own protection.

And you want that because of your Viking background or what reason?

Oh, go away troll.

So once again, unsupported nonsensical opinions out of your mouth.

So, are riots coming? Why did you pick this thread? More unsupported nonsensical opinions?

Go away, troll.

Do you want me to answer each of your 3 questions, or you want me to go away?

Go away. I'm not interested in your answers.

Is that your final answer? Or are you going to change your mind shortly?

Yes. No.

Is that all?

Yes.

I see.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/03/de-blasio-visited-communist-ussr-in-college/

I predict another long night of the alkie housewife arguing with fieldschester, until she passes out.

come on AR, in the history of fights, has anyone ever called someone a truth-telling bitch? What's with the need to be redundant? Unbelievable.

You could have just said, "Agree."

No.

AR, how was your day? Are you getting excited for your upcoming November vacation?

No.

Sad, so many vacations you don't even get excited by them anymore.

You and "truth" continually making suppositions about my vacations. You're equally off-base and idiotic.

Oh sorry, November is a special month because of THanksgiving. What is it, two 1 week vacations instead?

No, November is the same as every other angry month, for her.
She posts her usual drunken, angry comments: calling me "a bitch" and/or "a lying bitch".
When she gets to: "F'ing bitch", she's usually close to passing out.

Hi "trUth"

My husband figured out what the capital U meant. I'm a bit slow. Do you get it?

Truth! Long time no hear; hope all's well. How'd you manage to get ungrayed?!?

Perhaps they don't; but in consideration of our mayoral election, wouldn't it be nice to be a grandma to a sweet little Baby De Blasio?

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How indeed? Do the new owners know about her commentary about my daughter getting laid by the black kid we adopted into our household? I don't think they care.

AR there is really no need to talk about your daughter that way. That's disrespectful

by the way, your statement might also be racist. What is the significance of his race if he laid your daughter?

I can't believe I even typed that

I'm disguested, I have to sign off.

Good, and maybe truth the author of such foulness will too.

Socialist, are you voting for Chris Christie today or Joe Lhota?

We do keep an eye on these threads, so let's try to keep the conversation civil. Truth got 'un-trolled' because everyone else always picks on her. aboutready, you're on probation until you can learn not to curse so much. Where are your manners? That is all.

But, streeteasy, why do they do so? Is it just random, or -- this is the important part -- with great provocation, either because of her personal attacks, her empty posts, or her completely irrelevant self-indulgent posts?

No, she got 'un-trolled' because you respond to the persistently squeaky wheels, and buy into their fallacious storylines. While others have the decency not to come whining to you with misrepresentations. That is all.

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fieldschester:
Last night turned out to be about 3hours of talking her down from her anger,frustration and resentment.
She was acting-out like a child. I once saw the SuperNanny on T.V. instructing parents of a crazed toddler who refused to go to sleep. That was the same method I used.

I was waiting at the airport for a friend whose flight was late, so I had some time for the toddler-talk-down, before his flight arrived and I drove him home. I have to work tonight through Saturday night, so it's back to you for babysitting detail.