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LIC continues to shine!

Started by LICComment
about 14 years ago
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Progress had moved at a snail%u2019s pace since the late %u201990s here in western Queens, but suddenly it has picked up. Today, travel the 15-block stretch of Vernon Boulevard from the Long Island Rail Road train yard at Borden Avenue at the southern end to 44th Avenue to the north, and you can see an urban developer%u2019s dream slowly coming true. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/realestate/vernon-boulevard-queens-block-by-block.html?_r=2
Response by sledgehammer
about 14 years ago
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How your shoe shining business goin'?

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Response by stevejhx
about 14 years ago
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"Today, travel the 15-block stretch of Vernon Boulevard from the Long Island Rail Road train yard at Borden Avenue...."

Hold on a minute, lemme call my travel agent, see if she can book me into the LIRR train yard. I've been DYING to visit for years, and now - apparently - it's chic again.

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Response by truthskr10
about 14 years ago
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'LIC continues to shine!'

That's radiation. Should shine another 1000 years.

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Response by sledgehammer
about 14 years ago
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No! It's actually LICC saying he's still in the shoe shine business at Grand Central and is doing great!
His multi millionaires clients keeps hiring him and promise him that if he keeps working hard, one day, he'll be the one sitting up there on that High chair!

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Response by stevejhx
about 14 years ago
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Great news! According to my travel agent, there's room at the Long Island Rail Road train yard, right where it crosses under the elevated subway (oxymoron?)! Caveat: watch the third rail. I've been told it's safest by Amtrak, Metro-North, and NJ Transit trains, because they use overhead lines, not a third rail.

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Response by Socialist
about 14 years ago
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steve, don't forget to pay a visit to the prison on Vernon St. No trip to LIC is complete without a visit to the prison.

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Response by West34
about 14 years ago
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Toyota Yaris, it's a really great car. really. it really is.

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Response by Socialist
about 14 years ago
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A Toyota Yaris is a good car for LIC since I would not recommend parking an expensive car there, especially at night. To be on the safe side, I would even consider deliberately denting the Yaris to make it as undesireable to thieves as possible.

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Response by stevejhx
about 14 years ago
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I was going to take a livery cab, since they're they only ones with enough armor. The yellow ones won't go there.

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Response by somewhereelse
about 14 years ago
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Of course, Steve can't really bag on LIC anymore once he's got his Cliff Claven pants on in his new place at Del Boca Vista.

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Response by stevejhx
about 14 years ago
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What?

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Response by Socialist
about 14 years ago
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Oh, and let's not forget that the LARGEST housing project in America is in LIC.

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Response by Socialist
about 14 years ago
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Let's check in on some of LICC dope's neighbors:

"UP, up, up it rises, this elevator redolent of urine, groaning toward the rooftop of another tired building in the Queensbridge public housing development, the largest in Queens, in New York, in North America."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/12/nyregion/12about.html?scp=1&sq=queensbridge%20largest%20%22north%20america%22&st=cse

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Response by bjw2103
about 14 years ago
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swe brings up a great point - if faced with the choice of LIC or geriatric Florida, which would you choose? Yikes.

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Response by stevejhx
about 14 years ago
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As I've always said, bjw: Ft. Lauderdale is closer to Manhattan than Brooklyn.

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Response by West34
about 14 years ago
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and Ft. Lauderdale has the Mai Kai! Special Reserve Daiquiri - yum.

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Response by jim_hones10
about 14 years ago
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stevejhx
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report abuse As I've always said, bjw: Ft. Lauderdale is closer to Manhattan than Brooklyn

You are just plain fucking stupid Steve.

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Response by bjw2103
about 14 years ago
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"As I've always said, bjw: Ft. Lauderdale is closer to Manhattan than Brooklyn."

Oh, do explain.

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Response by stevejhx
about 14 years ago
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Ah! Annoying Jimmy Ho's and bjw.

Life is beautiful.

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Response by bjw2103
about 14 years ago
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Oh, you were totally joking - my bad. Should have known better... Good luck in FL.

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Response by somewhereelse
about 14 years ago
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> What?

Steve obviously being true to his word about ignoring my posts...

If we are talking year round... I would take LIC over anywhere in FLA in a heartbeat.

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Response by bjw2103
about 14 years ago
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swe, are you sure? Because Steve's new digs will have balconies! And cats! And multilingual dictionaries! And panoramic views of hurricanes!

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Response by somewhereelse
about 14 years ago
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> h, and let's not forget that the LARGEST housing project in America is in LIC

And yet still all those people choose it over living with Alpo in Jersey, or in Del Boca Vista.

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Response by stevejhx
about 14 years ago
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"I would take LIC over anywhere in FLA in a heartbeat."

As if I needed one more reason to move there!

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Response by somewhereelse
about 14 years ago
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Losing your shirt wasn't enough?

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Response by greensdale
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BUILDING BLOCKS
As a Queens Tower Rises, a Spot Is Saved for Pepsi-Cola

Shannon Stapleton for The New York Times
The Pepsi-Cola sign, a fixture in Long Island City, Queens, once sat atop the company's bottling plant, which closed in 1999 and has since been demolished.
By DAVID W. DUNLAP
Published: July 10, 2013

Pepsi-Cola hits the spot; eight full stories, that’s a lot.

Arquitectonica
An architectural rendering of how the sign will look with the new apartment towers behind it.
And that’s the size of a notch that has been carved into a 25-story apartment tower under construction in Long Island City, Queens, directly behind a waterfront billboard that PepsiCo has owned and maintained since 1936 and that is one of the most familiar features along the East River. The lower eight floors of the building have been recessed 12 feet, keeping them 45 feet distant from the back of the sign.

Building designs are influenced by zoning, financing, engineering and marketing. The 4610 Center Boulevard tower may be the first to be influenced by a swirls-and-curls, Depression-era, ruby-red, neon soft-drink sign.

“It is almost as if the face of the sign shaped the volumetrics of the building,” said Bernardo Fort-Brescia, a partner in the firm Arquitectonica, which designed 4610 Center Boulevard for TF Cornerstone, a development company run by the brothers K. Thomas and Frederick Elghanayan.

Once regarded as an eyesore, the sign is generally embraced today as a symbol of Long Island City’s industrial past, as a colossal work of Pop Art and as a way for those who live in the six buildings of TF Cornerstone’s Long Island City development to orient friends and families. (The back is not illuminated, so tenants are spared the film noir effect.)

It seems that if you keep a billboard long enough, it may turn into a civic cynosure. The Citgo sign at Kenmore Square, for instance, probably ranks ahead of the Old State House as a symbol of Boston. And the Pepsi sign was once considered for landmark status.

But the preservation of the sign involved more than an accommodating developer, an imaginative architect and a growing appreciation of popular history.

It reflects PepsiCo’s canny understanding, when it closed its Long Island City plant in 1999, that it owned an enviable bit of real estate. The Pepsi billboard occupies a site with no competing signs nearby. It is visible from two wealthy and well-traveled areas, the Upper East Side and the United Nations. And on the river’s edge, it will not be blocked by future towers.

The 147-foot-long sign was originally atop a factory building. Its letterforms, almost Gothic in their complexity, give the sign much of its appeal. This is a logo that originated in the late 19th century, and looks it. The “C” has a pennant and a big loop that trails back to join the bottom of the “P,” whose top resembles a horseshoe flying over a stake.

The letters are supported on an open armature, which emphasizes the sign’s mechanical quality. The bottle, sporting a slightly more up-to-date logo, was painted fairly crudely since it was meant to be seen at a distance. That adds to the charm.

In 2001, the Elghanayans, then partners in the Rockrose Development Corporation, were designated developers of the north end of the Queens West waterfront complex.

They were able to buy 21 acres from PepsiCo — except for a 60-by-200-foot parcel that PepsiCo carved out to serve as a permanent home for its billboard, on almost exactly the spot it once occupied, though much closer to the ground. “Pepsi was not going to sell the land to anyone unless they kept the sign,” said Jon McMillan, the planning director at Rockrose, who now has the same job at TF Cornerstone.

The sign was relocated for several years to the south end and reassembled in its current position in Gantry Plaza State Park in 2009. By that time, it was clear that the 4610 Center Boulevard tower would have to be built much closer to the sign than originally anticipated, given the way in which TF Cornerstone had pushed, pulled and laid out the overall 3.2-million-square-foot development.

Technically, the tower could have come closer to the sign. But Mr. Fort-Brescia, whose affection for the sign is evident, said that would have made it harder to read the billboard from across the river. Instead, he said, the cantilevered portion “creates a shadow box, so the letters stand out.”

“I didn’t want the sharp corners of a rectangle competing with the letters,” Mr. Fort-Brescia continued. “I chose to curve the corners so the building seems to fade away.” That the curves are also evocative of the streamlined Art Deco period in which the sign was erected is an added benefit, he said. But the design is not meant as historical allusion.

“This is all my impulse,” Mr. Fort-Brescia said, when asked if PepsiCo had requested or demanded such aesthetic deference. Besides, the sign will probably serve the developers’ interests equally well, since it confers special bragging rights on tenants.

“They’ll want to say, ‘I live behind the Pepsi sign,'” predicted Pablo Fernandez, TF Cornerstone’s no-nonsense job site superintendent. “People are funny that way.”

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