1/2 to full bath

How big is the existing space? Do you have a drawing?

Dont have drawing but basically sink and toilet are next to each other on one wall. Behind that wall is a big closet that can be broken into for the shower. The sink either would have to be next to the shower on that same wall or better would be to be across from the shower/toilet on it's own wall. I guess the sink has to share the water outlet with the shower?

do you know if anyone in the building has done this. there will be "wet over dry" if breaking into the closet and many coops/condos do not allow that.

No one has done it yet. It's a condo. I got approval in a previous condo. It's a small building but really it will only be a small area of wet over dry. I am wondering physically how you would use one set of pipes for both the sink and the shower.

After living in Hong Kong, it was quite common to see small bathrooms where the whole room was tiled with a drain in the floor and a shower head. The sink, toilet, whole room got wet. But it may be a solution to your problem.

"I am wondering physically how you would use one set of pipes for both the sink and the shower."

Everything is connected to one pipe at some point.

Plumbing existentialism, Sunday ;)

>>it was quite common to see small bathrooms where the whole room was tiled with a drain in the floor and a shower head. The sink, toilet, whole room got wet. But it may be a solution to your problem.<<

Those are the worst. They're all over Europe as well. Really disgusting.

>>It's a small building but really it will only be a small area of wet over dry.<<
Even a "small area" of wet over dry will generally be met with refusal. I cannot imagine any building allowing a closet (dry) to be converted into a shower stall (wet). Perhaps it's easier to push something like that through in a condo, but no co-op worth its salt would permit it.

I converted my half bath to a full bath in my condo without any problem- but I didn't have to deal with wet over dry issues. I didn't move anything around- just took out a closet and converted it to a tub/shower. All in, it cost $2,000 but this was a new construction, and the developer expected that the eventual owner would likely convert it- so they offered it at a reasonable cost.

it all depends on drain pipe sizes. shower requires bigger drain (2"), than sink (1.5"). also- a sink drain is tyically above slab/ floor, since it is at knee height, while a shower drain is below slab/ floor, so harder to relocate....depending on the floor -it can be either easy (if wood frame (not so common), or a little more complicated with a concrete slab, b/c it involves going beneath the floor and connecting to the drain stack.....

We saw an apartment in Chelsea with a bathroom where the "shower" was a drain in the floor. You could sit on the toilet and take a shower. In fact, it was pretty hard to take a shower except by sitting on the toilet.

I assume the set-up was not legal, but it looked like it had been recently (within the past 10 years) done. My best guess is that the apartment had an additional toilet off the kitchen, as many pre-wars often do, and the owners incorporated that space into the adjacent 8' x 8' "master" bedroom (as opposed to the 7' x 8' second bedroom), stuck in a sink, and probably snuck in a showerhead without telling the co-op or the city.

The apartment was vacant by the time we saw it, but between this odd bathroom conversion and an equally odd "bedroom" conversion, I assumed that a large family was attempting to make it work in a small apartment.

did the tolet flush onto the floor, before entering the shared drain??--that could be upsetting

Thanks for the insight, especially ivandeterrible. Very helpful.