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Started by disgruntledbuyer
over 13 years ago
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any recommendation on where to get marble windows sills? thanks.
Response by NYC411
over 13 years ago
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same place you get countertops - they chip a piece off and shape it the dims you need.

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Response by KeithB
over 13 years ago
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You can also find them in two different widths, various lengths at Lowes and Home Depot.

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Response by raddoc
over 13 years ago
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We used honed black granite. More durable, less likely to show dirt or water stains from rain/plants. Around $600 for 5 windows installed.

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Response by caonima
over 13 years ago
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$600 for 5 windows installed, sounds cheaper than regular wood sills

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Response by disgruntledbuyer
over 13 years ago
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Thanks!

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Response by Primer05
over 13 years ago
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The price of the marble sills depends on how big the sils are. It's like buying a marble saddle for the bathroom, those are typically $100 each.

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Response by alanhart
over 13 years ago
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Marble saddles are typically $10 each, uninstalled, from HD/Lowes. At least they were last year when I made my purchase. I believe that was the 4x36-inch size. Surely you mean the installed price is $100.

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Response by alanhart
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Or more likely your finger jiggled when you were typing, and an extra zero was entered in error.

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Response by ph41
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We (at the architect's suggestion) used 1/4" glass sandblasted on the underside - looks clean, unobtrusive, and a slight modern touch.

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Response by ph41
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Only used it in LR,DR,DEN and Study.

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Response by Primer05
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Alanhart,

When I went to dinner last night the burgers were $23.00 I said to the waiter "Why is it $23.00 when I can go to Mcdonalds and get one for $4.00

Not everything is created equal. The marble at Home Depot is of low quality compared to marble sold elsewhere

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Response by columbiacounty
over 13 years ago
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solid marble is not solid marble?

i think you chose an unfortunate example. when you buy a burger for $23 a lot of that money is going to overhead/ambience not into the cost of the beef.

and by the way, macdonald's hamburgers start at $1 not $4.

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Response by raddoc
over 13 years ago
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Thickness, length , width, particular material , edge and ease of old sill removal/new sill installation all determine the price. You can knock off $100-200 if you are handy. Just remove your old sills and take them to a fabricator. New ones slide in, held in place by silicone adhesive/caulk.

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Response by Primer05
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Columbia,

The stone shops have an overhead too. That is my point. Solid marble is not solid marble when it is of bad quality. The marble that home depot sells is not high quality. That's why it's so cheap.

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Response by nyc10023
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Primer: I have custom marble stuff in my home and also off-the-shelf marble bathroom saddles from Home Depot (I think they were more than $10, but less than $30). I'm not even sure what "high" quality vs. "low" means when it comes to natural stone other than color/veining preference. Cost is strongly correlated with rarity & current style.

Everyone else: Do people have stone window sills? I can see a couple of instances where it really works - wall-to-wall windows in postwar buidings, with the through-wall HVAC units underneath. Stone sill with built-in vents, with the sill acting as a counter for built-in cabs (that mask the through-wall HVAC).

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Response by aboutready
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I would never be able to tell the difference. I have HD marble countertops in my kitchen, I selected marble with a far amount of grey veining, and I couldn't be more pleased.

I always think it's wise to save money where you can, and this seems to be one of those areas. Some people like spending $100k on a relatively simple renovation. I don't.

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Response by alanhart
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This is the ridiculous and empty "value" proposition, based on the marketing fallacy that "you get what you pay for" and somehow receive "quality" ... all quoted phrases are well-established marketing terms.

It's all a big (and mostly successful) racket to bully customers into paying way way more for what is at most a slightly improved product ... where the alternative is functionally pretty much just as good.

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Response by Primer05
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Alanhart,

Why is it a marketing fallacy that you get what you pay for? Personally I don't believe that, I think you get exactly what you pay for.. Years ago I was hired to install all the tiles in a hotel. They usually purchased their tile tile and saddles through a tile store. To save money they purchased marble tile from Home Depot for all their suites. We were instructed to install the tile on a diagonal which required a lot of cutting. When we cut the marble on the proper wet saw the tile crumbled in our hands. A good way to tell the difference is look on the bottom of the tile or saddle and then go to a marble supplier and look at the difference.

You could probably get away with a saddle as it is not stepped on very much but I would rather use a higher quality marble, but maybe that's just me

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Response by aboutready
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Maybe so primer, but I've gotten tiles at hd that have had no issues, and I don't regret the savings. It is NOT true that you get what you pay for. More expensive is not always better, and in some cases worse. It certainly is rarely necessary for an attractive, functional space.

I would rather not overspend, but maybe that's just me.

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Response by Primer05
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Aboutready,

Maybe it is hit or miss, I can only speak of my experience. More expensive is N0T always better, just usually, in my opinion

I also would not want to overspend i guess it comes down to how one values whatever it is you are buying

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Response by columbiacounty
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more expensive is always better if you're trying to sell an upscale product to an affluent audience.

have you never encountered the experience of buying or spending smart? once again your own example is disingenuous. we were talking about the lack of need to overspend for shower sills and suddenly you were talking about tiling an entire hotel.

is a $200K car better than a honda accord? yes. is it $170K better? much more difficult question and i don't think can be answered out of context. do you assume that the best bottle of wine is the most expensive?

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Response by Primer05
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Columbia,

I think you are changing the discussion a little bit. Would you say a Mercedes is nicer then a Honda? I dont see how anyone could answer no. Is a 5 star hotel better then a Holiday Inn? Of course. The same could be said about just about everything unless you dont see the value in it. My point is typically things that are more expensive are of better quality. When you talk about value thats a different story. I would buy an Ikea kitchen before i paid for a custom kitchen because I think the value makes sense. It doesnt mean just because something is cheap i would buy it over something that is better quality

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Response by aboutready
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Cost-benefit analysis is a very useful skill. And one that many don't seem to understand or employ in their daily lives. The concept of marginal utility also seems to elude many. Particularly those with a vested interest in selling goods and services.

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Response by aboutready
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What average person could look at my countertops and say, oh, that's an inferior product from hd? That's my point. The affluent audience would simply see beautiful countertops. Now, my Viking some would hate and some would love, but most could easily discern that I paid too much for it. But I use it two or three times a day, I love it, so on a cost-benefit level it works for me. I did kraftmaid because I needed cabinet sizes not offered by ikea and that added cost was also worth it for the flexibility. But I gutted my kitchen, only keeping the refrigerator, and I spent less than $35,000 for the entire kitchen, a nine foot galley and an eight foot island, with fairly high-end appliances (a jenn-air wall oven in addition to the Viking range), including labor, which most on here would say is impossible.

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Response by nyc10023
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Nobody's answered my other question - are marble or stone window sills outside a bathroom common?

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Response by aboutready
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How many open houses have you been to? No, they are not common.

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Response by CAPITALcraft
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Why is Primer05 getting a hammering here? His pricing and examples seem very reasonable to me. Disgruntledbuyer- You get them from your marble fabricator which makes countertops. Is your project on a tight budget? OK-then go to HD or Lowe's yourself and get your GC to cut and install. nyc10023-same as aboutready, they are not common outside of the bathroom.

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Response by alanhart
over 13 years ago
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logrolling

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Response by KeithB
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OK, here are my marble windowsills. Alan please don't be too critical of my caulking, it's the sidecars.

http://ubivoletaudentunicornium.blogspot.com/

(couldn't figure out another way to get the pictures up. It was fun, I felt like Bob Villa)

Keith Burkhardt
TBG

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Response by Primer05
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No offense to Keith but I think you proved my point. Besides the wide caulk joints it looks like you took a saddle and used it for a sill. When my clients as for marble sills my fabricator cuts the length and the width to size and there is a very small bevel.

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Response by KeithB
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I liked the width. I have a little bevel and lots of compliments (:(Fyi that joint is a bit wide on the edge, the others were pretty tight, I did 10 windows, some runs over 10'.

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Response by aboutready
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When people preface their comment with no offense it invariably leads to an offensive comment.

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Response by KeithB
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Amen to that AR! lol.

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Response by nyc10023
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Keith: I used the same product (from HD) for a wood-to-marble (also carrera) transition in a bathroom. I like bedroom window sills to be wood, though.

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Response by Primer05
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About ready.

I can't disagree with that but I did not mean it that way. If I tried selling someone an apartment I might get it done but it would not go as smoothly as if Keith sold the unit. It's the same thing and I would not be offended by a professional if I was a novice

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Response by columbiacounty
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primer: its pretty clear you've been at this so long that you truly have missed the point.

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Response by aboutready
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Primer, I think you offer a lot of helpful advice but you're way out of line here. Keith tackled a difficult task, saved money and likes the results. It's more than "good enough" for him, why shit on his parade? It isn't necessary nor necessarily fulfilling to buy better just because you can afford to. Plenty of people with discerning taste don't do so and live quite happily with their choices nonetheless. If you have OCD (as I suspect a few regular posters on the reno threads do) then by all means pay more and hire more. For many of the rest of us, however, it would be better if we didn't succumb to the idea of a "perfect" anything, it doesn't exist, and I can't tell you how many people I've met who hate their high-level renovations within a couple of years, although they usually initially claim to love it. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, and it's virulent all things real estate.

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Response by Primer05
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About ready,

I am not shitting on his parade, Keith if I offended you i am sorry. I respect Keith very much and he provides an excellent service to his clients. I would not hesitate to recommend him for a minute. I am just pointing out the difference between hiring a professional and either hiring a novice or doing it yourself.

"Perfect" ? Who says anything about perfect? Thats the first thing I will tell a client, it will not be perfect. I also do not think anything is wrong if someone is happy with anything they buy. It is just my opinion after many years of experience that in renovations you get what you pay for. That goes for both quality of finishes that you purchase and the quality of the installer

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Response by columbiacounty
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you need to try to understand that you really don't understand.

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Response by columbiacounty
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and while you're at it --- check out the definition of condescending.

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Response by aboutready
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You often don't get what you pay for, is my experience. And you often, if not extremely vigilant, overpay for what you get. But I'm done now. I think cc is right, you're just not getting it.

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Response by Truth
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Oh, Primer only has 20 years of experience in home renovation.
What would he know?
How could he possibly know more than the drunken bully gang members do?

Primer goes to work every day doing the highest quality renos for clients who are happy with the results and his services.

The bully gang members go to their computers every day with their alkie beverages, trolling on se for fights.

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Response by greensdale
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The marble looks kind of cold and grey, whereas wood would seem more traditional.

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Response by alanhart
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And Primer is so proud to have you as his Number 1 customer.

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Response by aboutready
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I'm sure primer is grateful for your support.

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Response by huntersburg
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Ok let me add a scenario here, and based on the answer, I'll make the final determination.

Primer: Assume the window in question is in the shower. What would you do? How would it be different because the window was in the shower vs. not in the shower? How might your method of renovation for this window in the shower alleviate columbiacounty's phobia of windows in the shower like when he visited the apartment at 98 Riverside Drive? What would you recommend for someone who has a really big car that he's embarassed about driving up the Taconic State Parkway to Columbia County? Would you tint the windows?

Thank you.

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Response by Truth
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alkiealanhart and alkieaboutready write that :
Primer is "so proud to have (me) as his number 1 customer"; "grateful for(my)support".

Primer has a website with photos of his work and recos from various customers. As they are,
I'm grateful to Primer for his great work and skilled staff.

None of his customers on his website are drunken alkie slobs.

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Response by aboutready
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are any of them drunken groupies?

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Response by aboutready
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truth, you seem, again, to be projecting. get help.

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Response by huntersburg
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truth, AR, stop it. I have a question out, and once it's answered, I'll announce my final determination, and you'll have to live with it. That's it.

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Response by aboutready
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nice try, hb. like i'd give your final determination any credence. and you REALLY need to get over the need to post about certain posts in the past. let the dead die, and let your OCD take a rest. really.

although i find much of your commentary more interesting these days.

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Response by huntersburg
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>let the dead die,

That is NOT nice. I have never said anything directed at columbiacounty that has gone that far.

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Response by alanhart
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huntersberg, why doesn't Primer have on his website those depressing photos of some random sad lonely old spinster's home, the ones ph41so cruelly implied are pix of truth's apartment?

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Response by huntersburg
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alan, you have to pick, are you on Truth's side, or on ph41's side? You can't be on both, ... the enemy of my enemy

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Response by Truth
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LOL!!!
A nobody, sad lonely old alkie, asking Primer drunken questions!

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Response by alanhart
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Laughing out loud? Like that bag lady I used to see in the subway so many years ago? I always wondered what became of her.

Now I know. Nothing became of her.

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Response by alanhart
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I'm on huntersberg's side.

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Response by huntersburg
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dammit alan, can't you get anything write, I'm huntersburg, BURG, not bErg - with a U. You don't mistakenly call me hentersberg.

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Response by Primer05
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Truth,

I do appreciate your support.

Huntersburg,

I appreciate your sense of humor. To answer your question about the sill in the bathroom I would to exactly the same thing as I would for a regular sill but I would pitch it so water would not puddle on it. Just in case you really wanted to know.

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Response by KeithB
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I will add that I have hired so called pros, paid them very good money and gotten some really crappy work. Some of these tradespeople were well recommended. DIY is fun and feels so good .

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Response by ph41
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Truth - you should probably stop now-the vitriol works more against you than against those you rage at.

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Response by aboutready
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Psychosis wrecks havoc on one's vitriol

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Response by Truth
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ph41 is giving me advice on when to "stop"?!
I'm not raging at anybody.
Nothing I've written "against those" has "worked against" me.

Now go to your terrace, penthouselady. apt23 is going to fling a black swan off the roof of your building, just to see it "fly by your window".
Bring a mop. It's going to be a mess out there.

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Response by alanhart
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Why are you harshing on someone who's trying to help you, trUth?

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ignore this person
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and while you're at it --- check out the definition of condescending.

Pretty funny C0C0!

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i'm a complete asshole but i have an excuse.

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