Open House Anecdotes - 4/13 - NON-UWS
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Pardon the delayed post. Saw a bunch yesterday: LES, East/Central/West Village, Chelsea. Great day for a bike ride. Kylewest has a typically well written post of OHs in similar areas on the UWS OH thread. I started this in case some downtown low-enders aren’t reading that one. 237 Eldridge St. apt 3/4 $550k $980 maint (NY Times only): A 3br/2 bath in 100% shit condition claiming to be 1000sf. I’m... [more]
Pardon the delayed post. Saw a bunch yesterday: LES, East/Central/West Village, Chelsea. Great day for a bike ride. Kylewest has a typically well written post of OHs in similar areas on the UWS OH thread. I started this in case some downtown low-enders aren’t reading that one. 237 Eldridge St. apt 3/4 $550k $980 maint (NY Times only): A 3br/2 bath in 100% shit condition claiming to be 1000sf. I’m “greeted” at the door by a glum man who doesn’t return my hello. The broker is on the phone. There is no sign in sheet. It’s a combination, and it’s hard to tell what room is what or how big it really is, but I think 1k sf is exaggerated. 1st floor in a walkup. Back of the building so no street noise, but no views, either, though there’s some kind of a courtyard and there will be decent light in some of the rooms. This may be a unit I’ve seen for years listed on an HDFC-oriented website. It’s probably plenty negotiable, and may actually be a good opportunity for someone willing to gut reno who doesn’t mind the lack of views. 2 doors down from the brilliant Dr. Schaubhut at the East Village Veterinarian and 1 block from the F and V trains. 88 Bleecker St. 2K $650k $747 maint: 1br about 650 sf, facing north on Bleecker. The cyber doorman has me and 2 others confused. There’s a big green button at each door, but no buzzers for individual apartments. We’re buzzed into door one, and someone leaving opens door 2 for us. Very weird. I’ve seen another unit in the building on the ground floor, and hadn’t noticed the dark hallways that a friend recently mentioned to me, but she’s right. Kitchen and bath are recent; nice but not especially upscale. Kitchen is small w/ no DW. The broker is pretty classic, meaning about what you’d expect it to mean. This building is interesting to me because it has always traded lower than you would think it should, but has ticked up a bit in the past year. However, there have been a lot of sellers recently (7 1brs and 4 studios closed or listed in 08), and the studios have been cutting their prices. Feels like some “getting out of Dodge” going on. 5 visitors as of 45 minutes in. 630 E 14th St. #7 $475k $489 maint (NY Times only): A very dreary stretch of the East Village. West are projects, north is Stuy Town, and east is the Con Ed plant. I suppose for some it may have an early Tom Waits kind of charm (“It’s 14th and C, all the doughnuts have names that sound like prostitutes”). Renovated kitchen (decent looking appliances, cheap looking cabinets), can’t remember the bath, view out back over the common garden (not memorably landscaped but still a nice thing). Very little activity, 4 visitors 1:15 in. 333 E 14th St. 5D $659k $782 maint: 1br w/ nice-sized bedroom and very large LR/DR. Floor though with N/S/E exposures. Same line on a higher floor claims 850 sf. Probably more like 750, maybe 800. Not in bad shape, but kitchen and bath are old. I really like the broker. She’s doing her job, flattering the place without being cheesy, but when she asks me my thoughts we wind up having a genuine conversation about the state of the market. The unit is down $30k from orig ask after less than 2 months. 3 visitors about a half hour in. I’ve discussed this location recently: loud and charmless, but convenient. 333 E 14th St. 9D $750k $843 maint. Same bones as above, but kitchen has been opened into the DR. Kitchen and bath are renovated with a lot of metal, a sort of industrial style I like, but neither quite seems finished, and the bathroom has a glass-brick wall (!). This one has a great southerly view from the LR and views to the east from all rooms. The broker was in heavy sales mode, but didn’t try to lie about interest or offers. It seems the seller is very motivated. No sign-in sheet. Here’s the most interesting part. He tells me the building’s sponsor has defaulted. This sure sounds like horrible news, but he says the co-op now owns 35 units it will be selling and putting the money towards major capital improvements, possibly adding a roof deck. I guess that could be good, but it also sounds like there will be a lot of inventory coming from this building before long, and that specific due diligence would be required. 325 West 21st St. #14 $395k $593 maint (NY Times only): Small space listed as 1br, really a studio w/ an arch dividing LR from BR. 4 flights up, old condition (tub in kitchen!). Faces a school, I think elementary, on 21st St. No dogs. How did I miss that? 325 West 21st St. #18 $475k $659 maint (NY Times only): Same line 1 floor up, but this one is renovated (not very expensively) with roof rights. It’s nice up there, but the better views are on the other side, including the IAC building and some pretty gardens between the buildings. For both properties (same broker showing), 7 visitors after an hour. 165 Christopher St. 6K $599k $821 maint (NY Times only): This building is ground zero for the West Village thugs and hustlers making their way between the piers, PATH train and subway. A listing here was featured in a Curbed OH preview a month or two ago and the building was savaged in the comments. If you Google the address you’ll find some other marginalizing factors, such as the hotel that’s run out of it. As such, it trades lower than the surrounding blocks. This Jr 1 (maybe 500 sf?) is pretending that’s not the case, and the OH was totally dead. 2 visitors all day. The last Jr 1 sold for $450k, though to be fair it was on the ground floor; not good with dealing and tricking outside your window. This is the top floor, with a nice view of protected townhouses on Washington St. Condition is old, but done in a classy-boho way. I think they’ll have a (very?) hard time getting over $500k. Freshly painted hallways are an improvement, though. 165 Christopher St. 4X $700k $784 maint: This is one of the units I’ve been thinking of when discussing aspirational pricing in the rougher part of the West Village. It was listed at $845k, in Dec 07. The current owners paid $392,700 in June 05. Do they really think a new kitchen and bath and 2.5 yrs is worth a 115% percent increase? The unit is unoccupied, so somewhere the owners are carrying two homes. View is of the storage warehouse on W 10th. Owners in this building need to sell when it’s cold out, before the kids return to the piers. I also wonder how service limitations with the coming budget shortfall will affect the police unit dedicated to the area. 4 visitors an hour in. I saw a few things two weeks ago that I never mentioned. Open houses are still running, so here goes: 54 East 1st St. 2B $499k (was $525k 2 weeks ago, price change on Halstead’s site not yet reflected on StreetEasy), $624 maint. I loved the building’s interior, but the unit turns out to be tiny w/ no views and light only in the LR. There’s a lot of action, not surprising given the price and location, but everyone seems to enter, look quickly, and leave. Apt 2C is now available at $525k, a mirror image floorplan of 2B. 4C just sold for $375k, so good luck with that. Also, no dogs. 25 Charles St. $675k, $705 maint: Don’t recall the apt #, but it’s the parlor level facing the back. There’s common outdoor space out there, but it’s totally unfinished, just some cracked concrete. It feels like an abandoned handball court. The unit is very small but beautifully renovated, w/ a WD in the kitchen and separate LR and DR. Prime location, obviously. While checking out the outdoor space, we went into a door to the basement, which seemed to be two whole unused units. It was like Blair Witch in the West Village. Then we saw, I kid you not, a sign on the ground for an Asian massage parlor. My girlfriend half-jokingly asked if there were any nail marks on the doors or locks on the outside. Maybe this was Heaven Spa South? This unit could be OK at a lower price, but this building requires some due diligence, to say the least. Lastly, the unit khd and I were discussing on the OH 3/31 thread Sunday was 51 St. Mark’s Place #9, in case anyone was interested. Here’s a copy/paste: “…I would guess the square footage to be in the low 700s, more than 100 sf less than they are claiming. I know most brokers like to think that 1k psf is a given in any desirable neighborhood, but the walkup is horrible. I’d say they’re losing 80+% of prospective buyers on that alone. The unit is livable, but it’s in old condition, everything from the floors to the appliances. The high ceilings, yes, are great, but most people don’t want their bed in their living room, even if it’s up 7-8 feet, and the actual bedroom is too small for adults, it’s just about crib (or home-office) worthy. Having a washer dryer is, of course, nice (and essential given the walkup), but having two units mixed in w/ the kitchen cabinets and appliances isn’t exactly elegant. The common areas, aside from that one piece of art, are old and drab. I don’t see how this place even breaks $600k, but maybe that’s just me. This really seems like one of those aspirational places we’ve talked about on the board where you have to wonder if the owner would be open to a low offer, if you’ll have to wait for the price chops, or if they’ll eventually pull it. Or maybe that uber-mom who was giving me the shit-eye really wants it for her kid. I’ll admit it’s not impossible, but it’s extremely unlikely…” [less]
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I'll repost this here. I didn't even notice the other one was headed "UWS." My bad.
GREENWICH VILLAGE and CHELSEA:
105 W 13 St, 14E: $1,235,000/$1891(!) maintenance. New listing. At 13th and 6th Ave. Pro: real 2 bdrm/2 bath in decent shape with good views and light, kitchen can have small table for a.m. coffee. Cons: claustrophobic low ceilings, high maintenance, washing machine is in kitchen and has no dryer; very awkward closet in master bd-room; very average slightly homely building. My take: Knock out the second bedroom, remove the extra shower and open up the kitchen and you have a 1/2-way decent 1-bedroom but at $1.235MM and high maintenance, I'm not sure this will sell right away mostly because of the low ceilings and high maintenance.
306 W 13 St, #5: $895,000/$904 maint. New listing. At 8th Ave and W 4 St. Pros: Very 'Village,' renovated kitchen and bathroom, nice floors. Cons: 4th floor walkup; some broken glass tiles on bathroom wall, somewhat quirky/awkward bedroom nook configuration with huge sliding dividers that may not be to every buyer's taste; television and audio built into tight corner and would take a contractor to alter; view from bedroom is through sliver b/w buildings of Luke Oil gas station on 8th Ave. Bottom line: may appeal to spry single person who loves Village quirkiness and charm of squeaky narrow stairs leading to ample-sized apartment they don't have to do much to.
29 Perry St, 4R: $1.3MM/$1080 maint. New listing. Pros: pre-war arches and moldings, nice light, cool window in livingroom; baronial decorative fireplace in medieval inspired lobby (no doorman). Cons: walkup, tight for two people (although perfect for one). Opinion: may want to play with configuration of bedrooms to make one larger and one office. Doesn't work as true two bedroom because apt too small for grown kid and no one with a baby would want to walk up this far with a tot while toting a carriage and groceries. Expensive.
29 W 15 St., PH 10B: $1.1MM/$888 maint. B/w 5&6 Ave. Pros: rooftop deck comes with apartment along with private storage closet and washer/dryer off public hall outside apt. Cons: Kitchen and bath need total renovation; bedrooms tiny and narrow. IMHO: This apt need a lot of work--must reconfigure it to make it work by moving bathroom and combining two tiny bedrooms. I think it's expensive because it requires about $150,000 and still will have narrow bedroom; rooftop is nice and special though.
10 W 15 St., PH F: $1,295,000/maint $1112. Off Fifth Ave. Pros: Awesome light and narrow but sunny wrap around terrace for plantings and outdoor dining (at small table); high quality construction of built-ins with total top to bottom renovation with finishes that will appeal to most buyers; large walk-in storage closet. Cons: So designed that you cannot put much of a mark on the style without tearing out built ins which cover every wall. Assessment: fabulous bachelor pad; could work for a couple; great if you don't want to do a thing, but you'll pay for someone else having done it for you.
P.S. Thanks for starting this thread, tenemental.
ten,
What are you referring to by the "rougher part" of the WV, and by "ground zero for the West Village thugs and hustlers making their way between the piers, PATH train and subway"?
I have been looking in the WV, among other downtown areas, but clearly I am not as familiar with that area as you are. Can you pls elaborate?
The 6th Precinct which covers GV has some "hotspots" when it comes to crime and the western part of Christopher falls within that zone. Notably, though for years, including this year, most violent crime is down even in those areas and this year alone the most common violent crimes--robbery and felony assault are down significantly. Oddly, though, burglaries and car thefts have spiked significantly this year in the 6th Pct. and so far 3 rapes have been reported versus just 1 for 2007. FWIW...
A 2BR PREWAR CONDO on Perry St just west of Bleecker under $1M. Sunblasted and bright; check. Renovated; check. The catch - there isn't one!!
The catch....? All of the windows from this GROUND FLOOR look out into the alley between the building an the next...and that's where the GARBAGE gets stored. I'm sure the aroma in the summer is lovely!
Bad recipe for rodent problems.
My pleasure, kylewest. I was very surprised to see crime stats, maybe two years ago, that showed the West Village having significantly more crime than the East Village. Getting to know this particular stretch explained a lot. KISS, if you Google "165 Christopher St" you'll find links to many Villager articles, etc., that talk about the problems. If you're considering this area, visit around midnight on a warm night and walk Christopher from the subway station to the water. The pier itself seems almost off-limits at night if you're not part of the crowd. Neighbors complain about some pretty nasty stuff going on on their doorsteps. I'll spare you a description here; the articles aren't hard to find.
DO NOT try tenemental's experiment unless you want to be one of the NYPD CompStat statistics.
ten/kylewest,
Appreciate the extra color and advice. Midnight is way past my bedtime anyways.
Even my last broker wouldn't recommend my looking at 165 Christopher because of everything that was said here. You go 2 blocks and it is a different story (much nicer), but that is NYC for you.
tenemental: you must have had quite the OH day! Sounds exhausting! Thanks for the report!
I went to no OHs partly because it is such a pain to find them through the NYT. I complained to NYT and they said they have received a lot of complaints and are working on fixing the site. Fingers crossed...
Yes, kylewest, good advice. I should have included such a warning. I've done it myself, figuring I'd rather get mugged before buying a place than after when it was too late. The worst I got was a guy blowing smoke in my face as I walked past Chi Chi's (sp?).
khd, you're welcome. There were three buildings with 2 OHs ea., and three units were from a previous week, so it wasn't quite as tough as it looks. The bike was essential. I found typing the report much more exhausting :)
As bad as the NY Times search engine has become, the open house filter works on map view, or whatever it's called, and though you can only go neighborhood by neighborhood, the price and size filters work as well. The bummer, of course, is the redundancy, as the same apt may show up under Greenwich Village/West Village/Far West Village/Chelsea, but if you're only looking at open houses, it's not impossible.
I wonder if the "catch" at 2BR prewar condo on Perry St is the same problem with the 3BR 2bath at 42 W 9th St: http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/215028-42-w-9th-street-greenwich-village-manhattan. Even though it is at parlor level and below (with a very strange layout), it looks like a beautifully renovated apt in prime Gold Coast location. Originally listed at $2,995,000 in January 2006, it has since gone through 3 more brokers and 13 price chops to its latest listing with a fourth broker last week at $1,795,000. Seems well-priced! Does anyone know why isn't it selling? Is there a rodent problem?