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Started by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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Sun City It’s Not http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/realestate/sun-city-its-not-upper-west-side-retirement.html?pagewanted=all By CONSTANCE ROSENBLUM Published: February 15, 2013 When the co-op conversion wave began in New York City in the 1960s, singles and young married couples flocked to the Upper West Side hoping to get a piece of the action. Some of those people, now in their 70s, are still... [more]
Response by uwsbeagle
almost 13 years ago
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Manhattan is a fantastic place to retire. The weather is not extreme and the cultural offerings and services are phenomenal. Needless to say, not having to be dependent on a car when you're old is another huge factor. Few US cities compare in that regard. I hope I can afford to maintain my residence here when I retire several decades from now.

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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>Weather sucks. There are better options, although only a couple if you want a larger city where you don't need a car. I can't wait to fucking leave.

Not everyone can make it in NYC.

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Response by alanhart
almost 13 years ago
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The main problem with the UWS is that it seems like a retirement community fur people of all ages ... nothing going on, gaggles of awful restaurants, etc. But without the benefit of early bird specials, water aerobics, golf cart personal transportation and shuffleboard.

We might as well all join Petrofrizz in Vegas. At least they have 99 cent shrimp cocktails there. And favorable weather.

And BTW, while UWS gentrification began in earnest in the 1960s, the co-op thing barely began until the 1980s. Typical NYT advertorial sloppiness.

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Response by alanhart
almost 13 years ago
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And plus also the UWS in that 1960s-1980s period was clogged with ancient turbanned old ladies left over from the 1920s. More than 22%.

Some of us have to endure the indignity of seeing the second coming of Wayfarers' return to popularity. Ironic in the 1980s, not sure WTF it's all about this time.

But at least it's not the turbanned old UWS ladies again.

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Response by ph41
almost 13 years ago
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AR - learn to drive and get a driver's license. Greatly increases places you can live.

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Response by LookPied
almost 13 years ago
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aboutready:

I can't think of any large city with warm weather that you can retire to without needing a car. Atlanta and Houston, where I have lived (and loved), are car oriented (not many taxis, no great train service). Maybe Miami as they have a good number of taxis. Maybe DC, but only with slightly warmer winters. San Francisco?

NYC is in our retirement plans because transportation options for the elderly are good. Plus you can have anything delivered to your apartment. In car oriented cities, once you cannot drive, you are dependent on family and friends, or assisted living facilities.

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Response by aboutready
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I think we will split our time, six months in Seattle, six months traveling. Seattle has glorious weather four or five months of the year, and so far no state income taxes. But that's many moons away. I know it seems counterintuitive that a hilly west coast city is doable without driving, but this one definitely is. You are right. Just because one can drive now doesn't mean one will be able to forever.

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Response by lovetocook
almost 13 years ago
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While I agree that if you don't drive, it really limits your options when you are elderly. But so many cities now have great downtowns, that it seems that if one moved into an apt. in the heart of a city an elderly person can get around via buses or trains or whatever other public transportation exist. While I've never lived outside the tri state area, I can't believe public transportation does not exist in the heart of some of these cities.

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Response by jelj13
almost 13 years ago
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I visited San Francisco last year and was pleasantly surprised by the public transportation system. It was really easy and pleasant to get around without a car. However, the hills there are much steeper than in Manhattan, sometimes making it strenuous to walk to the transportation, a possible problem for people with aging problems.

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Response by greensdale
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... and so far no state income taxes. ...

That's what this is all about?

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Response by aboutready
almost 13 years ago
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No, but it doesn't hurt. I agree with the notion of consumption taxes.

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Response by greensdale
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Consumption taxes hurt the poor.

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Response by LookPied
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lovetocook:

Yeah, public transportation in large sprawling cities tends to be pretty poor. In Atlanta, the train system is very limited and the downtown area, while gentrifying, is pretty sparse in terms of grocery and drug stores and services. And getting a taxi requires calling ahead of time and WAITING. My wife waited 1 hour for a taxi in a downtown Kansas City restaurant before having a waiter drive her to her destination. New Yorkers take their transportation system for granted!

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Response by aboutready
almost 13 years ago
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It depends on how they are targeted.

Seattle has a great bus system, taxis can be called, and many neighborhoods have very good access to retail and services. It has great medical resources, and our retirement dollars will go much further. If the winter didn't suck so badly the place would be totally overrun.

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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If Seattle were in San Diego, it would be great.

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Response by MAV
almost 13 years ago
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God help me if I am glowing old in this city rather then breathing fresh air somewhere.

No extremes? its too cold AND too hot! That might be the easiest argument to disprove ever, thanks!

However, if I had an artificially low rent?

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Response by uwsbeagle
almost 13 years ago
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It is neither to cold nor too hot here. In fact, it was 34 degrees in Orlando this week and central Florida is a cultural wasteland to boot. I'll take 34 in NYC any day of the year over 34 in many other cities. But no point arguing opinions. I do agree about the breathing of fresh air.

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Response by aboutready
almost 13 years ago
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Mav, I hope your comment about artificially low rents wasn't directed at me. I bought. The summers suck here, and I'm not terribly fond of the winters either. I really think we can agree that we don't live in NYC for the weather. When I'm older I think I'll still want a vibrant city, but I'll want more comfortable weather. To each their own.

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Response by mutombonyc
almost 13 years ago
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Truth, why does AR often refer to poster's writing styles?

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Response by Eumendides
almost 13 years ago
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The neighborhood has to have balance, that's why we are partial to Lincoln Center area or between 59th and 72nd.

I thought you were not allowed to talk about this though.

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Response by walpurgis
almost 13 years ago
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Already, signs of progress addressing the NORC quandry are appearing (albeit slowly, like a rolling walker), but appearing nonetheless:

. A Soft Foods Market is slated to open later this year; aisles will be extra wide accomodate the left-right rocking motion some seniors make, eliminating the risk of items knocked off the shelves.

. Kevorkian's Korner, a new startup inspired by Obamacare, will lease space in most area Duane Reades. No appointments are necessary, & when procedure is over "client" will be ushered out the back door, for complete discression.

. The New York Suppository Exchange, the 1st one ever, will be making its debut on Columbus Circle. It will carry the world's largest inventory of said product, in every conceivable size, shape & color. Customers can not only purchase, but also sell expired ones, as well as "opening up", if you will -)trading accounts. Having a "seat on the exchange" will have a whole new meaning!

These above 3 examples are hopefully only the beginning. Stay tuned!

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Response by walpurgis
almost 13 years ago
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Sorry for some of the misspelled words & punctuation.

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Response by aboutready
almost 13 years ago
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No, Eumenides, you're just not allowed to assume that you'll be able to fulfill a desire to avoid kids. Unless you live in a building with only studios and/or small one bedrooms the little terrors can appear at any time.

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Response by Eumendides
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No assumption of a guarantee of the sort. Information, yes.

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