10% of NYers don't know where the F they are.
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"According to research, ten percent of New Yorkers are lost at any given time." "The federal government is picking up 80 percent of the tab." Want to Know Which Way Is North? Don't Ask a New Yorker Monday, June 24, 2013 - 02:15 PM By KATE HINDS http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/transportation-nation/2013/jun/24/wayfinding/ Even the locals get confused. According to research, ten percent of New Yorkers are... [more]
"According to research, ten percent of New Yorkers are lost at any given time." "The federal government is picking up 80 percent of the tab." Want to Know Which Way Is North? Don't Ask a New Yorker Monday, June 24, 2013 - 02:15 PM By KATE HINDS http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/transportation-nation/2013/jun/24/wayfinding/ Even the locals get confused. According to research, ten percent of New Yorkers are lost at any given time. Now, the city is installing new pedestrian signage to point them in the right direction -- and get them to open their wallets en route. The New York City Department of Transportation unveiled the first of its new wayfinding signs on Monday at the corner of Worth and Mulberry Streets in Manhattan's Chinatown -- a neighborhood possessing neither the grid system nor numbered streets. Compound that with large numbers of tourists and jurors spilling out from nearby courthouses, and you've got a good place to plunk down a WalkNYC sign. The signage is the result of research conducted by the NYC DOT, which asked hundreds of pedestrians questions such as, "Which way is north?" and, "What neighborhood are you in right now?" The results, said NYC DOT commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan, point to a glaring need for signage. "One out of three New Yorkers didn't know which way was north," she said. "We also found out that at any given time, ten percent of New Yorkers were lost." And those are just the ones who'd admit it. (The DOT's research also showed 27% of visitors couldn’t name the borough they were in, and 24% of visitors didn't know how to get to their next destination.) One hundred WalkNYC signs will be installed this summer in high-volume locations in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens, with plans to expand to all five boroughs next year. The DOT is also working with the MTA to install them in subway stations and along Select Bus Service routes. Much in the same way it has trumpeted the economic benefits of street redesign projects such as bike lanes, pedestrian plazas, and select bus service, the DOT says the signage will spur spending. "When people know where they're headed, they're much more likely to explore the city -- with their wallets," said Sadik-Khan, adding that wayfinding is "great for the economy." She said, "Pedestrians spend 42 percent more (money) than drivers when they know their way around." She said 31 percent of all trips in New York City are made by foot -- and the wayfinding system could spur even more walking. Queens Council member Jimmy Van Bremer said the signage would encourage people to explore the museums and restaurants of Long Island City. "It is so important that people are able to see where they are," he said. "One of things that I believe is that someone may think they know where something is -- (but) they think it's further than it actually is, and that may actually inhibit them." He added: "If they see that they can walk it, then they're going to pass restaurants and shops...and they're going to spend money." The WalkNYC signs are eight-and-a-half feet high and range in width from 18 to 50 inches. They show neighborhood names, landmarks like parks and museums, and the locations of subway stations. They also ballpark walk times. The maps are oriented in the direction the pedestrian is facing. "You no longer have to worry about what's north, what's south, what's east and what's west," said Sadik-Khan. And it may look familiar to Citi Bike users: similar maps already adorn the 300-plus bike share kiosks in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Sadik-Khan said each signs cost $15,000 to install, and that the program is budgeted at $6 million. The federal government is picking up 80 percent of the tab. [less]
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Interestingly, when I asked the MTA person in charge of stations why they don't at least label the exits with letters and mark them on the map (as in e.g., London) I was told "New Yorkers don't need that.
Did they know which way was east or west?
Could be that 10% of NYers are fucking stupid
To make matters even worse, North, South, East & West on the Manhattan street grid are actually Northeast, Southwest, Southeast & Northwest.
A few years back, I recall a compass point type directional sign program implemented, showing uptown as north, downtown as south etc.
A bit misleading, based on my 1st line above. Confuse the already confused even more!
But it's true - whereas I always had a love of maps (especially the pre-Google, Hagstrom 5 Borough Atlas, which I could never get enough of as a kid), I always assumed everyone else did as well.
Not so. I was astounded when I discovered that some adults - living here their entire lives - not only didn't know NSWE - but couldn't tell you how to walk to the next neighborhood & still not even sure what direction it was in! The best was my friend's mother, who, scarily, drove a car, making it all the more perplexing. I've never relayed this story to anyone, but here's the perfect opportunity at long last.
One day while discussing the subway, she claimed she didn't know that the Brighton Line ran on an elevated embankment behind the houses across the street from her. I was incredulous - & asked her, "Well you see the elevated station above the avenue - don't you?"
"Yeah, so?" was her annoyed reply.
"Well - where do you think the trains run when they leave the station?"
"Oh, I thought maybe they went back underground."
u"But there's an elevated trestle on every avenue, right?"
"Yeah, so?"
"Doesn't that make you realize they're running continuously elevated? What did you think - that they dip below the ground between avenues & rise up when they get to them?" To this day, I remember envisioning the trains doing this like the Romper Room Inchworm from the TV commercial).
Her complete, totally serious reply was, "Yeah, that would make sense. Why not?"
I just shook my head & walked away...
Oh for phuck's sake.
Eventually you LEARN your way around.
We don't need new signage. People will eventually find their way. Screw them. Let them learn the hard way like the rest of us did.
Brooksie, real classy response. Guess you couldn't come up with a euphemism!
Why am I not surprised. LOL!!
The twin towers served as everybody's compass. You could see them from everywhere south of midtown.
Now that they're gone I do often have to look at street signs.
Re: Eventually you LEARN your way around.
And North is easy -- it's where Matt lives - above 99.9% of everybody else in Manhattan.
Indeed, GG: I remember when they were in plane sight.
And could be that same 10% are RE brokers