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Is DeBlasio chasing out families bc of charters?

Started by Eumendides
over 11 years ago
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It seems that attacking charters is hurting minorities and maybe chasing them out of the city, at least those who may now look at the suburbs as the best chance for education. My wife is a teacher but she and I are no fans of the unions that are encouraging the mayor against the children of families that care the most about education. I don't get it.
Response by jelj13
over 11 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2011

I was a teacher for 10 years. I have no problem with the charter schools, only some of the co-locations. I've seen cases where a charter school moves into an existing school and takes away their sorely needed resources. You create an atmosphere of the "haves versus the have-nots". You can't say, you can no longer have art, music, or a library because we've given the facilities to a charter school that you can't attend.

There were similar scenarios when gifted and talented programs were introduced in some schools around 25 y ears ago, running them as separate schools. I saw one school where the gifted and talented hallways, bathrooms, and classrooms were clean and beautiful; the rest of the building was one step up from an SRO.

I have friends who have taught both in regular public schools and Charter Schools. They prefer teaching in Charter Schools because it's almost like a private school mainly because the school controls which students are selected and kept.

I won't even touch on your remarks about the Teachers Union and implications about parents whose children do not attend charter schools. Perhaps, following this line, we should eliminate the Union and not spend the money on educating students who don't make it into Charter Schools.

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Response by NYCMatt
over 11 years ago
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It really is a conundrum. The problem is that "poor performing" schools will always be such, no matter how much money you throw at them, no matter how stellar the teachers are, because it all boils down to the PARENTS of the students who refuse to emphasize education or reinforce what the schools give to the students each day. It's an uphill battle that will never be won unless the parents are on board. It's like spending thousands on maintaining your car -- right down to waxing every square centimeter every week -- but refusing to change the oil regularly.

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Response by drdrd
over 11 years ago
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There was a woman on ' Moyers ' last night talking about charter schools & it was sobering. Charters pick & choose their students; public schools have to educate everyone & perhaps there's poverty & the kids aren't eating regularly. Maybe there is physical or psychological abuse in the home or violence in the streets. Whatever the kids have to deal with on a daily basis, they bring into the classroom. I absolutely don't blame the teachers. The parents, yes, of course, but we've also got this popular culture where it is definitely not cool to be a scholar but to be a bad boy, a rapper, a sports star is IT & who needs an education for that? The charter school movement is now, apparently, being taken over by Wall Street & the big money guys 'cause education is a multi-billion $ enterprise & they want a part of it.

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Response by drdrd
over 11 years ago
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AR, darling, best of luck to you & yours. xox

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Response by huntersburg
over 11 years ago
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>Therapy. Meds. You need both.

The AMA and the APA could be all over you for making these recommendations without the proper training and credentials. In the future, you might consider saing, "Ask your doctor about medication and therapy". Or something like that. Your husband or another licensed attorney may be able to help with the wording.

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Response by jelj13
over 11 years ago
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I dealt with students with a myriad of issues. Some were coming into high school with no more than 5th and 6th grade reading and math levels. Don't necessarily blame this on the school system. Many of the students I had were shuffled around from one relative to the other, frequently switching to schools geographically closer. Many of the students were foreign born, often illegal aliens, who often returned to their homeland for months at a time. Then they were the special ed students who were decertified and placed into regular classrooms in which they couldn't function. A special ed student who withdraws from a school and leaves the country is automatically decertified. When they return, the only way they can get back their services is to go through the certification process again, a process that could take up to 2 years. To boot, a teacher must write multiple lesson plans to accommodate students not "up to speed" in every single class, identifying them by name. I had enough when I was spending 4 hours on lesson plans and 3 hours on grading every single night of the week. Then you were expected to correspond with parents of failing students on a regular basis. Not an easy task when you have over 150 students in a high school setting.

As for the Union, they don't really do much for the teachers other than the salary negotiations. When teachers have grievances that clearly are in violation of their contract, the Union automatically rejects the complaint. You don't get anywhere unless you can get an appeal hearing. If you're lucky enough to get the Union to come in and deal with a principal violating the contract, you might win the battle and lose the war. The Union walks away and you then have to deal with a vindictive principal who makes your life a living hell. Fortunately, I haven't been in that position, but I've had numerous friends who have. Their principal bragged that she/he could get rid of anyone in her school at any time because she knows how to get away with it, even if she/he falsified complaints against a teacher.

As said, I know some teachers who were ready to just walk off the job until they found jobs at Charter Schools. They don't have to deal with all these "special needs" student as they're usually pushed out.

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Response by huntersburg
over 11 years ago
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What the heck does this have to do with Bronchopulmonary Dysplasia and the China Nepstar Chain Drugstore Ltd.?

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Response by Truth
over 11 years ago
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Nice and tidy clean-up, done by streeteasy.

If aboutready would just stop trolling me, with her various attempted insults (such as posting that I'm "bat-shit crazy" numerous times, even when I'm not posting a comment to nor about her; I might continue to ignore her.)
see: the "Bring back the old streeteasy" ( or whatever that discussion was titled), where the commenters continued to "bump up" their complaints and I advised them that it wasn't working. In fact their desired result was not achieved. As you streeteasy editors very well know, because you did a reno and shut that down.
shut-down that "bumping -up" ability.( but not before aboutready came onto that discussion, chip-on-shoulder, looking for a fight with her "Truth is bat-shit crazy" comments.)

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Response by aboutready
over 11 years ago
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Truth IS bat-shit crazy. And fallacious.

Delusional.

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Response by aboutready
over 11 years ago
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Once again, as it's been deleted, same to you drdrd.

Someone really had zero understanding of the Madoff reference. Was it spinny who wanted the bull?

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Response by Truth
over 11 years ago
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and^^ here's aboutready^^ yet again, looking for a fight.
8:10pm on Monday, March 31, 2014.

I've wiped the floor of cyberspace, with her drunken body many times.
She keeps returning for more.
She's way out of her league, trying to insult me.

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Response by aboutready
over 11 years ago
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And truth responds within minutes.

Way out of truth's league? That is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on this board. Dream on, "truth."

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Response by aboutready
over 11 years ago
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Bunny boiler.

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Response by Truth
over 11 years ago
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aboutready and her attempts to challenge me to her usual streeteasy fight, is way out of her league.
She's waiting and watching, hoping that she will have an exciting fight with me.
Drunks are an easy take-down.

"Bunny boiler": a very cogent comment from aboutready.
",no?"

Where's "drdrd" to send her "luv' and "xox"?
Have another drink, aboutready.

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Response by aboutready
over 11 years ago
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Get over your aging lonely self. Have another "gaudi-inspired" breadstick while you sit alone waiting for people at 2:30 a.m.

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Response by aboutready
over 11 years ago
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You don't write well , do you?

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Response by huntersburg
over 11 years ago
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Aboutready, do you eat breadsticks?

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Response by alanhart
over 11 years ago
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Zillow dropped a house on someone!

(oh snap)

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