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multi-unit purchase to leverage down payment

Started by NY_Houser
over 9 years ago
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Hello! My wife and I are considering buying an apartment and have saved up enough for a $2mm down payment. Recently I have moved careers and we are planning to have kids so cash flow is going to be much lower going forward (could probably afford a $500k mortgage). Given what may be an unusual situation (large down payment with limited ability to pay off much of a mortgage), I've been playing around with the idea of purchasing a multi-unit townhouse for less than $10mm, moving into one of the units and paying down the mortgage. Is this a realistic concept? Are the cap rates too high given residential buyer interest? My hunch is that this might be a fool's errand. I took a look at a TH on 10th that is priced at 26x annual rent! Thanks!
Response by CCL3
over 9 years ago
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Wait, so you want to rent out the other units, or sell the other units in the TH?

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 9 years ago
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Some of this is location dependent. You will probably find that the cap rate varies and is worse in "prime" locations.

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Response by nyc1234
over 9 years ago
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Cap rates are generally 3-4% and keep in mind, this doesn't always account for taxes, maintenance, etc. If you take everything into account, mostly I see 0 or negative cap rates. On the flipside, if prices go up, you will make up for some of that low cap rate. That being said, if you have $2m downpayment, $8m townhouse, you will have a $30k per month mortgage. You stated that you don't want more than a $500k mortgage -$2,500 monthly mortgage.

What is your plan for months when you are having issues with renters? Are you aware it is difficult to remove a tenant and can take 6 months? Assuming the bank would give you the loan (not likely, unless you have a very high income and are just being conservative in regards to you mortgage), your risk would be insanely high. As a general rule, if you have an investment property, you should have about 6-12 months of mortgage as a buffer. Maintenance will also be prohibitive.

On the flip-side, you can buy multifamily apt complexes in the midwest and south for 6-8% cap rates. These states are more landlord-friendly and, additionally, due to the inexpensive prices, would allow you to buy several units, which would decrease the volatility associated with owning multifamily homes. You could then take the cash flow and use that to help pay your mortgage. Otherwise, you are making a massive speculative bet. Honestly, it will likely pan out over the long-run, but there is a reasonable chance in my estimation (over 20%) that you could have a liquidity crisis at the wrong time and end up getting wiped out. I've seen it before, in very similar circumstances.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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i agree with nyc1234 that this could be a dangerous time to be buying Real Estate with a negative carry.

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Response by nyc1234
over 9 years ago
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I'd also like to add something I forgot to mention - multifamily in the entire country is at the top range of the cap rate bubble, obviously related to the low interest environment. At multiple real estate meetings I have been to, old-school multifamily investors have warned that this is not the best time to buy these unless you know what you are doing. 2011-2012 was the best time for that.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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"2011-2012 was the best time for that. "
I thought things were potentially overprice even then, but your perspective gets skewed when you can remember selling small buildings in Brooklyn for 3X RR.

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Response by nyc1234
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I meant in the rest of the country, specifically, the midwest and south.

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