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Removal of non-load bearing wall

Started by jelj13
almost 9 years ago
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I just received notice from my managing agent that my kitchen renovation will not be approved until I submit plans done by an architect. The reason is that I am removing a non-load bearing wall between the kitchen and the living room. This is just a partition wall that everyone has been removing. The managing agent says "ALL changes to the configuration to any room must be sent to the architect and be filed with the Department of Buildings." Is this something new? I have never heard of filing with the Buildings Department to remove a partition wall.
Response by jelj13
almost 9 years ago
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By the way, the wall is not fire rated/fire proof either.

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Response by KAS61
almost 9 years ago
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I just did what you are describing. I had to re-route the electrical risers to the apartments above as well as my own gas line. I was required by my building submit architect plans and to file for DOB permits. I believe in the past the building was more reliant about this but have now tightened up. It was a slow and expensive process.

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Response by jelj13
almost 9 years ago
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This is not as elaborate as yours. There are two partition walls when you enter the kitchen through an doorway open to the ceiling. The wall to go down is the one of the right of the doorway. It has the light switch and a baseboard outlet. When the wall is taken down, the outlet and switch will be moved to the wall that is perpendicular to the wall we are taking down. The wall will be replaced with an island. The rewiring will be hidden in the soffit for the overhead lighting directly over the island. There is no riser affecting anyone else's apartment.

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Response by KAS61
almost 9 years ago
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Yes, that sounds a lot more straightforward. I am thinking a lot will depend on the rules of your building. I guess some are more lax than others. I am not sure how much is determined by City regulations/codes.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 9 years ago
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Jelj, Do you really need to ask for permission? You are not adding or moving wall or creating a new room, just widening the doorway. Check with your expeditor about DOB. Strict answer is yes but there is room for judgement.

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Response by Primer05
almost 9 years ago
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More and more buildings are requiring you to get architectural drawings as well as permits for removing any wall.

If you need a reasonable architect feel free to email me at primerenovations@mac.com. I have several that I work with

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Response by sdeniseed
almost 9 years ago
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Your building is correct.

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Response by jelj13
almost 9 years ago
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Thank you Primer05. I just sent you an email.

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Response by jelj13
almost 9 years ago
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I pulled the building code on this and proved that I did not need the DOB involved for removing this wall. The Code says that you do not need a permit if you remove the SMALLER of 45 square feet or 50% of the wall area. We plan to remove far less than that since the kitchen is very small and the wall is very long.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 9 years ago
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Nice.

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