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UES Townhouse Pricing and Headwinds

Started by TeamM
over 6 years ago
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Discussion about 116 East 95th Street
As noted in another thread, I'm creating a new thread on this and since this townhouse was part of that thread, it made sense to link it.
Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 6 years ago
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Hypothetical:
Let's say a broker gets a $10 million buyer to look at this house. What do you think their reaction is, what affect do you think that reaction has on that broker/agent, what do you think they pass on to other agents, and what lasting effects will result to the marketability of the property?
One historically odd thing of note: an agent may have a high opinion of a property, but if they show it to a prospective purchaser who has a very negative reaction they flip and all of a sudden take on the opinion of the person who they showed it to.

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Response by TeamM
about 6 years ago
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300 - I can imagine someone paying $5.5mm for it if they drop the price quickly. As you know, I am expecting further downward pressure so I think that the future could look worse for it.

30 - I assume that by a $10 million buyer, you mean someone who could feel comfortable $10 million for a property that buyer felt was appropriate. I won't fight the hypothetical that I think that such a buyer would refuse to look at the house. I think the reaction would be extremely harsh, and that the buyer would say that it was a total waste of time. I think that a buyer's broker would be bashful about having made such a judgment call and encourage other brokers not to make the same mistake. I think the Seller's broker would hope that his/her client didn't hear about it.

There are a lot of vastly overpriced properties on the UES right now, including the townhouse this thread is linked to. I do wonder what messages are actually communicated to the Sellers' agents and the owners.

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Response by 300_mercer
about 6 years ago
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I think this is probably the most over priced townhouse under $10mm.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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Response by TeamM
about 6 years ago
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300 - that's a fair view, although it is all a matter of degrees. There are a lot of overpriced townhouses that are lingering and I think they will continue to do so.

30 - a lot of those houses on that strip have been for sale in recent years. I don't think any have done particularly well, and I don't think this one will be any different. I doubt that I.M. Pei's celebrity status is sufficient to entice buyers, and I don't think his design mark on this house is deep enough to provide real value.

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Response by TeamM
about 6 years ago
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Interesting to see such incremental price cuts on such an overpriced property at 116 East 95. I question the merits of that strategy, but maybe the seller just needs time to adjust to the reality of the market price for this property.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 6 years ago
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116 East 95th in contract since end November.

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Response by TeamM
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What's your guess on the price?

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 6 years ago
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No idea. Townhouse is very illiquid market. So very hard to guess even within 10 percent.

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Response by 300_mercer
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My wild guess will be $7.8-8.3mm.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Yours??

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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Using a more realistic 5,000SF at $1,500/SF to $1,600/SF is what I think the value likely is. That would yield $7.5 million to $8 million, but my guess is that they didn't negotiate down that much.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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I take that back. I think even at $7.5 million it wouldn't be an easy sale.

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Response by TeamM
almost 6 years ago
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Really hard street to value. The house itself looks like other than the unusable basement but it is out of place on the street. A lot of townhouses end up selling for way below their final listing price so I would not anchor to that.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 5 years ago
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$8mm recorded sale.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 5 years ago
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Talk about getting out in the nick of time.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 5 years ago
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I think this is an example that some people are going to do what it takes to transact. They had fairly recently dropped the asking price by half a million bucks, yet 3 weeks later they still negotiated another million off the ask, and this was well before COVID-19 was an issue. I know I said that I doubted they would have negotiated that much, but here we see that's what they did.

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Response by stache
over 5 years ago
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Much easier to isolate in a townhouse.

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