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Economic benefit of causing congestion?

Started by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 6 years ago
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1) https://gothamist.com/news/essex-crossing-traffic-nightmare-will-likely-hold-people-hostage-years Up until very recently this area was contiguous blocks of publicly owned land (https://images.app.goo.gl/Wa4HS2caVzVzxMBt7). The City could have easily and with minimal cost widened these streets any time it wanted to for decades. This would have made things safer for motorists, cyclists and... [more]
Response by nyc_sport
about 6 years ago
Posts: 809
Member since: Jan 2009

There is no economic benefit, and Comrade DiBlasio has not had an economic thought in his life. Any articles claiming that there is minimal impact from closing 14th street are delusional propaganda. I live on 12th street, and it is a parking lot 18 hours a day. It takes three turns of the traffic light on the avenues to travel from one avenue to the other, probably more at third avenue where cars are turning in both directions. The bike lanes only add to the problem of cars unable to turn, taxis and trucks nowhere to stop. Yet, you can eat lunch in the middle of 14th street, as a bus or other vehicle passes one or two every few minutes. Apart from the direct loss of business you mention, the traffic delays themselves represent serious costs (putting aside the constant car horns and added pollution), and there are now traffic cops (doing nothing constructive) at nearly every intersection along 12th, 13th and 14th streets for 12 hours a day, wasting probably a million or more dollars. And, the whole thing was a ruse, since the L train never shout down.

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Response by itesfai
about 6 years ago
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No economic benefit, for sure the opposite. I live right off EBroadway / Clinton and there are plans now for new res towers on NE corner. This is the last place in the area that needs construction. I believe it will be two towers on either side of an existing brick building (library or something). traffic is horrible already and once construction starts it will be even worse. The bike lanes ( as much as i support bikes) is worst thing to happen to NYC, especially in those tight one lane each direction streets. Is there anyone in our city government capable of making smart decisions? well thought out plans? Taking traffic away from one street causes delays on others. Just finished "The Power Broker" and if they took almost 100 years to finish 2nd ave train, then of course they will F this up even more. I think at some point NYC will reach its breaking point, so many conflicting interests, each doing whatever they think is right. They're about to redo east river park which they just spent millions. It's actually depressing walking to the train every morning, as soon as i walk out there is a traffic jam already, honking cursing, and they've been drilling my street for the 7th time this year. keep patching it up and coming back every few weeks to dig, so stupid. I need a therapist just to talk about how horrible our city planing is.

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Response by stache
about 6 years ago
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There are times in the evening where I can cross by foot against the light at 14th & Fourth Ave. No traffic.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 6 years ago
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stache,
So there's a 6 lane road in the middle of Manhattan only getting used for 20 buses an hour at that point? How is that for a waste of assets?
At the same time add up all the hours wasted by people sitting in traffic on the side streets due to increased congestion - what do you think the economic loss is from that?

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Response by Aaron2
about 6 years ago
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What would be the long-term economic gain from creating a cross-town long wide pedestrian mall / park, lined with stores and apartment buildings that would attract residents and shoppers? At a time when vehicle ownership is dropping, environmental concerns are growing, and there's a strip of neighborhood ripe for some updating? Hint: High Line, but without the ability to peep into people's bedrooms.

(Many will remember the subway ads: "I shop all over town, but I buy on 14th Street!")

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Response by nyc_sport
about 6 years ago
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I do not know to what you refer when saying vehicle ownership is dropping. "Overall registrations increased 8.59 percent over the four-year period" of DiBlasio's first term. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/10/03/car-ownership-continues-to-rise-under-mayor-de-blasio/

But if we are discussing what is good for Manhattan for Manhattan residents, car ownership is not a relevant consideration. I have had a car for 30 years. I can count on two hands how many times I have used it for an intra-Manhattan trip. In any event, closing broadway has not exactly turned that into a shopping mall, or spurred any development. You can't have businesses and residences without trucks.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 6 years ago
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nyc_sport,
If you're going to stop cycling advocates from simply making up statistics whenever they need them there's not going to be much of a discussion.

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