Coops / Condos that do NOt allow pets

45 Tudor City Place

The listings will state the pet policy

tudor city allows cats, not dogs

One agent told me that "no pets" really just means "no dogs." Is this true?

And what is the reason a building would have a no pets policy, anyway? How are such things even enforced?

No. "No pets" means no pets. The spectrum runs something like this:

No pets / cats allowed / small dogs allowed / dogs allowed. A "small" dog is usually defined as under "X" lbs, although in one case I've seen a height maximum. I wouldn't suggest trying to move in with seven cats, and a pit bull might be a problem, too.

The reason is pretty obvious - not everyone is an animal lover, and animals can, and do, "mess up". The terms are spelled out in your lease, if renting, and by house rules / by-laws, if you own. It's pretty simple - the pet goes, or you do.

How would they find out? Assuming no doorman, a complaint to the management company.

Reason I wonder about it: Our building (we own but don't live there) has a "no pets" rule. It's a small co-op with 28 apartments. Almost everyone there has a cat. I once saw someone walking out of the building with a large dog. The pets do not seem to pose any problems (the times I have been there, I have not noticed noise or odors). In conversations with other tenants, the subject has not come up. There is no doorman and no live-in super.

Also, isn't there some law in NYC whereby if you maintain a pet in an apartment for a certain amount of time with no complaints from other tenants or the management, you are entitled to keep that pet?

BTW, as a landlord, I am fully aware of the damage pets can do.

if you keep a pet open and notorious for 6 months (or is it 3?), the landlord or coop board cannot do anything. they have essentially waived it then.

You are right john. Not everyone is an animal lover. This is why I posed the question. I'm looking to buy but only if I don’t have to deal with neighbors with animals! I have a rental right now. The upstairs neighbor’s dog barks all the time. This unfortunately has turned me off to buying in a coop/condo that allows pets.

any other suggestions? there have to places other than tudor city.

the agent should tell you if there is a pet policy and it is usually posted on the broker's site.

Sharise: Tell you broker to look for buildings that do not allow pets.

Babsie02: it's a 90-day period, after which the pet is considered accepted if no one from the management agency, staff, or residential community raises an objection.

sharise - absolute "No Pet" buildings are a minority. My last closing was a Studio on the UES for a buyer client. My buyer had no preference to pet friendly / unfriendly - she had no pets - but the building policy was NO pets. FYI - it's not a luxury, doorman building, just a very nice elevator building in the East 80's.

Not being an attorney, I'd love to hear more about "open and notorious" pets in "No Pet" buildings. The bulk of my work is Co-op resales, and the buyer(s)' purchase application / Board package ALWAYS states the pet policy, and even in cases where pets are allowed, specifically asks the prospective buyer(s) about any pets they plan on bringing into the building.

The broker should know if there is a pet policy. If not definitely the management company would know.

Some buildings that don't allow pets or dogs may grandfather tenants who already owned at the time the rule was established. This is why you might see someone with a dog in a 'no dog's allowed' building.

There are many reasons why buildings don't allow dogs. One is that, unfortunately, some tenants are not as responsible as others. My former building allowed dogs and once in a blue moon they would leave messes in the hallways/elevators and the owners wouldn't clean up after them - yuk.

My current building used to allow dogs but as more families with small children moved in, some kids were getting scared by large barking dogs. It's a small building with no service elevator so the tenants voted against having dogs.

Then there's also the cost & safety issues - like what happened with that woman in SF whose neighbor's dog mauled her to death. Extreme and rare case I know but it has resulted in insurance premiums to increase for some buildings that allow dogs.

If you sign on the package saying you will not have pets, and then bring a pet, that is an attempt to conceal which goes against the "open and notorious". This is all vaguely similar to adverse possession in places where there is actually land you could adversely possess.

The actual part of the city code is here:
http://www.housingnyc.com/html/resources/hmc/sub2/art1.html#27-2009.1

A more detailed discussion is here:
http://www.tenant.net/Rights/pets.html

11 Fifth Ave, the Brevoort, is a dog-less building. I can understand a weight limit, but none at all seems extreme and to suggest an annoying board and population in the building.

just go into keyword during new york times search and type no pets or no dogs

Buildings can flop back and forth over time -- the John Adams at 101 West 12th allowed dogs, and then someone's dog bit someone, and new dogs were excluded but the old dogs were grandfathered in -- and then they relaxed again -- so it's always good to check with the board as well as to see what's stated. But I think Executive Plaza on West 51st is pet-free.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

What about my pet ferrett, "farfel?"

johnrealestate1 - WHAT'S the name of the building on the east side in the 80s?

The Horizon Condo 415 East 37th has no pet policy

But is it cheaper to own a dog then to rent one?

kylewest-
For the record I am a dog and cat lover. However, after moving from a floor in my condominium which had no dogs to a floor which has several dogs, I can see why some buildings have a no dog policy. The hall carpet on the floor with no dogs is pristine--looks and feels brand new. The hall carpet on the floor with dogs has several spots from dog "accidents" and looks and feels worn. Therefore, a no dog policy has nothing to do with "an annoying board and population in a building". Unfortunately, some owners don't train their pets well (we had one dog in my condo who would attack other dogs, his nickname was Cujo)/don't clean up after their pets/allow their dogs to urinate on the building, etc. It's not rocket science that having dogs in the building causes greater maintenance costs--in terms of both labor and materials. Moreover, there are some people who are allergic to dogs and cats and would love to live in a no pet building. Moreover, I can certainly sympathize with sharise since I've had the situation where a neighbor had a dog which barked daily nonstop for 4+ hours until someone can home. I could hear the barking in every room in my apartment. Moreover, I couldn't even go into the foyer of my own apartment without the dog starting to bark!

Our board and management are very no-nonsense, so I've been thinking they have the rule for financial or legal reasons. It was in place when we bought the apartment.

sharise, it sounds like you just don't want dogs because of the noise. Cats are usually not a problem in that regard.

What about my pet weasel, "stevejhx?"

malraux if you have nothing useful to post please do not post here. Thanks.

Open up your arms and let the sunshine in, sharise....

For the record we have one (black) cat and one (blue merle) dog. Your question is very vague. There are lots of coops in Manhattan that don't allow pets. Like on Fifth Avenue, Park Avenue, and Madison Avenue in the UES, just for starters. Many old money pre war building have policies of this type (why, I don't know - to quote Michael Douglas in the movie 'Wall Street' - "That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs - they love animals, they can't stand people.")

sharise - no name - it's a 43 unit, very nice elevator (no doorman) building on East 87th, about a four minute walk to the subway station. If you'd like, email me at johnrealestate1@optonline.net, and I'll forward you info on the building. And, if you're interested, the asking price of the apartment, and what we were able to get it for.

sharise,
Ali is absolutely right. If building has "No pets" rule, find out for how long it was in place. Because you may still run into grandfathered dogs. (cats I wouldn't worry since they stay inside individual apartments and don't bark)

elena
(broker)

The Monarch Condo- 200 E89th.. no dogs.

""(cats I wouldn't worry since they stay inside individual apartments and don't bark)""

They may not bark but... there's a family in our (rental) building that lets their two cats roam happily in the hall. The cats' favorite game is to lie in wait until someone, anyone, opens a door, then scurry in quick as lightning. I've seen the canny little bastards skulking at the heels of delivery men, prepared and ready to dart into some poor unsuspecting tenant's apartment. They make a beeline for the bed, couch, upholstered chair--anything that can be clawed and covered with fur in the 50-odd seconds it takes to wrangle them out.

bramster, has anyone complained to the building management? Unless they don't mind the kitties invading their space.

Uptowngal--

Not that I'm aware of... it honestly doesn't bother us terribly--don't know about other folks, though.

Just fyi though, buildings that don't allow dogs tend to sit longer on the market and command less money when you go to sell. For that reason, I would never buy in a no dog building. It's my biggest investment and I want to make sure I maximize the returns when I go to sell.

Hi BigApple, do you think you can email me privately on creativeproperty@yahoo.com , I desparately need your advice.

Cheers

BWC

Monarch is one example of a building that used to allow pets - then they decided no more pets. My parents live there

My parents UES building makes dogs use the service elevator and enter/exit through a nasty back hall. Even carrying a small dog is not permitted. A little extreme and uptight IMO. I can understand for larger dogs that shed on people and drool and jump. But a dog you can carry in one arm is banished from civilized entry and exit? Makes no sense.