Are property taxes in Manhattan really that much higher than in Brooklyn?
Started by tamara23
over 17 years ago
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I'm looking at Manhattan apartments in the low $2 million range. In browsing the NYT real estate listings, I've noticed that many Manhattan apartments have property taxes as high as $1700 PER MONTH. I've compared this to the taxes on high-end Brooklyn brownstones, and the discrepancy is mind-blowing. These brownstones have taxes of between $2500-$5000 PER YEAR. Am I misreading the taxes or is there really that much of a difference between Manhattan and Brooklyn property taxes? Thanks!!
Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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The difference is between how single-family homes and apartments are valued. Single-family homes are valued at their adjusted 1930-something assessed value, whereas apartments are valued at the assessed value of their imputed rent - that is, what you could get for the place if you rented it. Prewar co-ops are taxed at a lower rate than other co-ops or condominiums, and co-ops are taxed at a lower rate than condominiums.
Are you looking at any new construction? I have a $2.195MM listing that is in the fourth year of its 421(a) tax abatement, and taxes are $209 a month. Even as they rise over time, I'd doubt that they'd hit $1,700 per month.
But stevejhx is right, it's not that taxes on apartments are high (compared to the suburbs, they're quite reasonable) it's that taxes on brownstones are artificially low.
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Response by stevejhx
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"it's not that taxes on apartments are high (compared to the suburbs, they're quite reasonable)"
You forget that the suburbs - except Yonkers, and who wants to go to Yonkers - do not have an income tax.
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Response by jrd
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Single to three family homes are taxed at the lowest rate of residential housing. And not only that, they have the lowest cap for increases in assessed values. Thus an old 3 family can be taxed at a crazy low rate compared to new construction, which will will be taxed at market value. If you gut the 3 family and spend $2MM on that, your tax basis will go up the full $2MM. An if in the process you convert it to a 4 family, your rate will go up too!
The difference is between how single-family homes and apartments are valued. Single-family homes are valued at their adjusted 1930-something assessed value, whereas apartments are valued at the assessed value of their imputed rent - that is, what you could get for the place if you rented it. Prewar co-ops are taxed at a lower rate than other co-ops or condominiums, and co-ops are taxed at a lower rate than condominiums.
www.baruch.cuny.edu/spa/images/pdf/George_Sweeting.pdf
Read it and weep.
Are you looking at any new construction? I have a $2.195MM listing that is in the fourth year of its 421(a) tax abatement, and taxes are $209 a month. Even as they rise over time, I'd doubt that they'd hit $1,700 per month.
But stevejhx is right, it's not that taxes on apartments are high (compared to the suburbs, they're quite reasonable) it's that taxes on brownstones are artificially low.
ali r.
{downtown broker}
"it's not that taxes on apartments are high (compared to the suburbs, they're quite reasonable)"
You forget that the suburbs - except Yonkers, and who wants to go to Yonkers - do not have an income tax.
Single to three family homes are taxed at the lowest rate of residential housing. And not only that, they have the lowest cap for increases in assessed values. Thus an old 3 family can be taxed at a crazy low rate compared to new construction, which will will be taxed at market value. If you gut the 3 family and spend $2MM on that, your tax basis will go up the full $2MM. An if in the process you convert it to a 4 family, your rate will go up too!
Long live NYC property tax!