doormen beards and facial ettiquette

I'd imagine this is an extremely hard thing to regulate now more than ever.
Facial hair style/quantity often intertwined with race&religion.

If there is an existing rule, I can't imagine it standing up to a challenge. If one were to try passing a new rule, I can't imagine a sane managing agent would recommend doing so.

My building staff has had various quantities of facial hair over the years, and even when on the board, it never occurred to me it was something I got to have an opinion about..

On the other side of the coin - imagine the uproar if you had written rules stipulating the style of hair and personal grooming methods of women employees? Skirts vs pants rules are already considered a relic of the 1950s..

The bigger issue is staff that watches videos on the iPhones, is distracted, in bad moods, apathetic towards residents, and the inability to get these issues fixed

@Admin2009 - yes, that is.. we should care about our employees performance, not their appearance!

Both of my FS buildings I have lived in is doormen can grow beards on their vacation, then if it looks acceptable on their return they can keep it. What is not allowed is to appear unshaven.

Not legal advice, but believe it is legal in NYC to require women to wear skirts to work, as long as you require the same of male employees.
https://qz.com/682166/its-totally-fine-to-require-women-to-wear-heels-to-work-as-long-as-you-require-the-same-of-men/

In some industries, appearance is definitely a big part of performance. Not that I think building support and management is in that category, but some might.

How about drinking coffee and eating food in the lobby ?

Is that ok ? ? ? ?

It is a tough issue. Appearances do matter. The doorman represents the building. 32bj should weigh in and save board members from having to define the standard.

It's also sort of subjective, some people like to look at the well trimmed and kept beard. Many others think any amount of facial hair is not appropriate. Didn't George Steinbrenner forbid Yankees from having beards?

If he's performing his services well, I would be indifferent to someone with a beard.

On that note RIP Dusty Hill.

Our evening DM has his dinner at his desk. There is no one to relieve him. I give popsicles to select DM's/porters. My old building always had DM + 1 porter on duty 24/7 so food was forbidden at the desk.

re:food/drink
Seems like a basic human right to be able to stay hydrated at work.
Food, tougher call, but if your building does not offer your staff a place to eat in peace (a designated break room), then it's a lot harder to ban eating at the desk.

I am guessing someone looking like Jack Dorsey will pass the beard standard for a doorman in this day and age.

I'm more interested in the content of their character; good people with good vibes. Have a little interest in the length of their beard or conforming to other people's ideas of normal and acceptable.

Ironically I just posted something on LinkedIn that was meant to address a similar style post that I read and was copied on. Don't judge a book by its cover, but by the quality of its contents ; )

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/keith-burkhardt-371705a_causeforalarm-dontjudgeabookbyitscover-pma-activity-6825487219654971392-73_I

so you're Ok with a shirt not tucked in and wrinkled shirt as long as the heart is pure and the door is always opened?

@Riversider .. is this a trick question.. my answer is.. yes?
Function over form for me.
I've seen bad staff & good staff, and there was minimal correlation with their appearance.

There is a distinction between a uniform (which may be taken off between shifts) and a beard (which cannot be grown between shifts). If you are more interested in how it is worn -- e.g., "beards longer than 1 foot should be with a ribbon" -- then your analogy would be more apropro.

Can you post a picture of they type of situation your board is grappling with? Is it something this (RIP Dusty): https://s.hdnux.com/photos/03/63/34/997130/3/rawImage.jpg.