Crime up in Greenwich Village

Chelsea is starting to feel like Hamsterdam from the Wire

My office moved from 16th St & 6th Ave to 17th St between 8th & 9th. Walking down 8th Ave from 23rd St feels less safe than it did in the 1980s.

@30
Feels reflective of what I've discussed with other friends as well.
Quantitatively, crime levels regressed ~10 years during the 2 years of covid.
However, 2010 era crime wasn't so bad.
Qualitatively, however, it feels more widespread, random and somewhat brazen.

That is - some serious crimes are becoming relatively common in zip codes you wouldn't expect.
Lot of friends who are concerned about being crime targets (women, Asian Americans, elderly, etc) have told me they continue to avoid the trains, especially after hours.

Don't see much discussion re: since 50A was repealed the new NYPD Motto is:
"I'm not getting out of my car for that!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpzoG0R0qs

City-wide stats

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf

Remember this, (putting it here because I can't start a new thread on my phone)

https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/nyc-is-dead-forever-heres-why-james-altucher/

@Admin2009 - city-wide stats seem to track, yes. The only crimes they've managed to reverse growth on are murder & shootings, which are still well above 2018 levels, but at least have stopped increasing.

GV 6th Police Precinct numbers all seem to be way up, aside from shootings which have so far been 0 YTD

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-006pct.pdf

2022 Murder, Rape, Felony Assault, Burglary, Grand Larceny are all tracking above even 2001 levels.
Burglary might even exceed 1998 levels.
Rape approaching 1993 levels.

That said the nominal numbers for some of the crimes (murder & rape, thankfully) in this precinct are small so % changes can move drastically, but its hard not to see a trend here.

Keith,
Try setting your mobile browser to desktop mode.

Thanks 30, that did the trick!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aphNWQXkIRo

This stretch of 7th between Whole Foods and Penn has gone back to being not great at night.

Politicians need to protect citizens' rights , not criminals' rights. Their laws , our grief

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ZV845dArc

Seems like all the negative Youtube and newspaper links above are to Rupert Murdoch owned sites who are incentivized to rip NY. If you remember NY in the '70s, that was much worse and there was no pandemic causing it.

And real estate prices and taxes were much lower. I want that 10,000 sq ft building for <$100,000k (70s price) in East Village and will deal with the crime from back then. Can you blame people if their expectations of public safety have gone up along with prices and taxes?

And real estate prices and taxes were much lower. I want that 10,000 sq ft building for <$100,000k (70s price) in East Village and will deal with the crime from back then. Can you blame people if their expectations of public safety have gone up along with prices and taxes?

<$100,000k (70s price) in East Village and will deal with the crime from back then. Can you blame people if their expectations of public safety have gone up along with prices and taxes?

<$100,000k (70s price) in East Village and will deal with the crime from back then. Can you blame people if their expectations of public safety have gone up along with prices and taxes?

Full post:

And real estate prices and taxes were much lower. I want that 10,000+ sq ft building for <$100,000k (70s price as per the stories I have heard from Keith B and others) in East Village and will deal with the crime from back then. Can you blame people if their expectations of public safety have gone up along with prices and taxes?

Ah yes, the boogyman Rupert Murdoch vs the boogyman George Soros

"The problem is choice." ~Neo

Another try:
And real estate prices and taxes were much lower. I want that 10,000 sq ft building for <$100,000k (70s price) in East Village and will deal with the crime from back then. Can you blame people if their expectations of public safety have gone up along with prices and taxes?

Another try:
And real estate prices and taxes were much lower. I want that 10,000 sq ft building for less than $100,000k (70s price) in East Village and will deal with the crime from back then. Can you blame people if their expectations of public safety have gone up along with prices and taxes?

Ah. SE doesn’t like “less than” symbol.

@300 - nail on head, exactly

If we are going to continue approaching the 90s crime levels, then we’d like to get some 90s pricing.
Especially with hybrid/remote/Miami offices/etc if one can live elsewhere on 80-100% of the same pay.

For the “but its just Murdoch scare mongering” types..
NYPost has an obvious slant, but it doesn’t change the facts of the stories they cover.. its mostly in what they select to cover.

NYTimes is often no better while pretending to both-sides things, in that they don’t even cover things like the reality of the statistically evident increase in crime.

Get out of your bubbles and read widely, you’d be surprised what gets left out of one sides of the others media for days/weeks or indefinitely.

There has been an improvement this year on the shootings & murders front, but otherwise continues its march upwards & onwards.

My coops real estate taxes are up more than 85% in the last 10 years (there was never any tax abatement besides coop/condo primary residence discount). Politics and media coverage aside, is it too much to expect no deterioration in public safety?

Re: expectations of public safety, LES makes an interesting example

Far more aggressive panhandling than I've seen in my ~17 years frequenting the hood. Guys walking aggressively through traffic, knocking on car windows every few blocks along Delancey/Chrystie right in front of traffic cops since they know theres zero enforcement anymore.

Also something I'd never seen in Manhattan is vendors (mostly women) going car to car weaving through stop&go traffic on Williamsburg Bridge / Delancey trying to sell bottles of water, mango, etc. I remember seeing this kind of stuff in the Bronx coming back from Yankee Stadium in the 90s..

Plus a number of incidents in the Essex/Delancey St subway station making the news far outpacing pre-2020 levels.

The 7th precinct crime stats seem to reflect a reversion to mid-late 90s levels in LES
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-007pct.pdf

vs 2021
Robbery +70% (now at 2001 levels)
Burglary +70% (now at ~1995 levels?)
Grand Larceny +60% (now above 1990 levels)
Rape +50% or +90% depending on NYPD or FBI definition (now at 1998-2001 levels)
Felony Assault +20% (now above 1990 levels)

Seems like we are seeing some of the more fringe / last to gentrify to Manhattan prime real estate pricing levels revert the hardest.

The economy is actually still pretty good, unemployment low, and city budget relatively fat. I can't imagine this suddenly getting better as the economy/jobs/budget turns over.

@300 why should I expect to have to live with crime in a lower income neighborhood? While my wealthy neighbors say they deserve to be crime free? I'm no progressive, however I strongly believe we all deserve to live in a safe neighborhood, with good, safe schools.

@steve123 so it's not a robust economy that solely improves the quality of life in the city? Guess the Mayor & co have at least if not more to do with it?

@Keith - absolutely, agreed responsibility lies with elected officials but also with the idiots who have elected them unfortunately. my worry is if we can't clean this up while flush with money, how much worse will it be when the cuts to social services / transit / policing / etc start?

Keith, When did I say poor hoods can have more crime? Public safety is important everywhere. I am simply saying if you want to increase my real estate taxes, don’t decrease public safety.
Separately, if you are in a poorer county (outside of NYC), doesn’t county have less money to pay for public safety and other services as all these are funded by real estate taxes.

I was going to post another video of a high school kid getting bashed in the head with a brick in Chelsea lunchtime (aired on CBS local news) but I didn't want to get repetitive.

@300 I thought somehow you were implying that when the economy/city is in poor shape we should be more accepting of crime.

Accepting and reality are two different things.

Keeping the discussion to US real estate, when the property values are low and RE/local taxes are low, the county/city does not have enough money for services, education, and public safety. There are many counties in NJ will low property prices RELATIVE to other nearby counties and tax revenues. If I were to buy a $200k single family home in these counties, realistic me (I don't speak for others) would have to accept whatever crime rate they currently have (probably a strong contributor to lower property prices vs counties near by) and in most cases it is high. Yes I would love for crime and poverty to disappear all over the world (talk is cheap and Alvin Bragg seems to be staying his elected term) but I have not exactly dedicated my life to that cause.

My comments were related to New York City. Honestly I'm not sure how the states disperse tax revenue to the various counties/ towns that make them up.

Mayor Eric Adams is calling for budget cuts.

"News of the mayor’s ordered rollback on spending was first reported by Politico. The cuts are to be phased in, with agencies – including the NYPD, which is often not subject to reductions – cutting by 3% by the end of the current fiscal year ending June 2023 and 4.75% between fiscal years 2024 through 2026."
https://gothamist.com/news/facing-pressure-from-city-council-and-unions-mayor-adams-orders-nyc-agencies-to-slash-spending

Let's have a poll on who here thinks this will improve the situation? Hands?

NYPD budget is enormous. We have almost 2x as many cops per capita as LA, a far more dangerous city with similar CoL/taxes. You can see the bloat on every corner. Just getting a slightly higher % of our highly-paid public servants to do their jobs instead of crushing candy would more than offset the proposed rollback...

The bottleneck is further into the justice system: not enough judges, courtrooms, DAs, or PDs. That's why you see defendants out on bail for 18 months or more -- or worse, citizens locked up w/o trial -- despite high tech video evidence blanketing most of the city, which should in theory make mundane cases more black & white than the most airtight eyewitnesses of yesteryear. Unfortunately we have little discretion in how NY state structures and funds those systems, so the queues (and corresponding pressure to settle or dismiss) gets longer every year. Rising rates of crime and/or arrest will only worsen it.

The long pretrial BS is by design from the DA's offices. They use it as a cudgel to force defendants to plea to lesser charges on losing cases. The delays are mostly controllable on the government side: a rather large portion of them is State simply putting cases over claiming they aren't ready (cop not available even though it's been scheduled for 3 months, etc). Also comes from bringing indictments from Grand Juries on weak cases which simply should have shifted more work to waiting until a solid case is already built before submitting.

I also think there has been a general lack of calling out the NYPD slowdown post 50A repeal and trying to shift blame from that to bail reform.

I don’t like this mayor, in a way he reminds me of Davis Dinkins, except Dinkins was into tennis I believe with his tennis outfits and this mayor is into night life.
The first time I voted for Dinkins, but second time I voted for Giuliani. He made the city so much more safe. I once got held up at knife point, I didn’t think I would live. And this was not the only incident.
I may leave the city for awhile, I am too old for this.
We need a better mayor which I do not think we will get for sometime.

What do you all think the medium to long term results of liquidating all sexually oriented business (strip clubs, adult book stores, massage parlors, etc) and replacing them with drug related businesses (cannabis dispensaries, head shops, needle exchanges, safe use centers, methadone clinics, etc) are going to be WRT crime/public safety?

@30 - gonna go with.. not great
One could argue this removed an outlet for peoples inhibitions and replaced with businesses that reduce peoples inhibitions & set them loose.

Given both the state requirement to provide housing but the inability to compel mentally ill homeless off the street, we end up in some unfortunate situations.
I have seen on my block at least 3 times in the last 6 months the city clear the same one man homeless encampment.
The guy is mentally ill and on drugs. But he is with it enough to know when its happening and make himself scarce.
Each time the city puts up notices of date & time, how to get a shelter bed, etc.
Day of, there are 6-10 city staff and 3-4 vehicles between NYPD, DHS and DSNY.
They come in, remove the pile of garbage he has made, clean up, stand around for an 2-3 hours..

Is it cruel to remove this guys stuff vs is it compassionate to let a drug addicted mentally ill man live under an underpass on a sofa & pile of newspapers?
Is it a sensible & scalable use of city resources to have spent ~50 man-hours in 6 months on one homeless guy who is still unsheltered & homeless?

It just feels like the permissiveness is going to lead to things going so far we are going to have a 1969/late-1980s overcorrection snap back of law&order.

@30 there's definitely a copagenda slant in the media, even liberal media.

Among pols it's a little better. I'm not a huge Adams fan overall but I do think he has a better read on the NYPD than most and is not-so-subtlely giving his captains a chance to trim the deadwood without making a larger issue of it (that would surely see him attacked from the right).

Intentional slow-rolling from the State's side is surely a thing...I don't know what to do about it. Judges do eventually toss the bad cases, but this churn only gives opponents more ammo (and occasionally let's truly bad dudes walk). DAs could be more aggressive about pruning losers, but then they'll be attacked by media personalities with little understanding (or intentional misunderstanding) of the system. Can't win.

I wasn't around for 90s-era Hells Kitchen, so from my perspective I haven't seen a large scale politically-motivated cleanup of sex industries. Merely a slow secular decline as the internet makes such things cheaper and more privately accessible.

Drug businesses strike me as a huge win. Not because drug use is great but because the storefronts are so, so, so much better than their netherworld equivalent.

Hit the button too soon...suffice to say, I've never seen CVS get in a gunfight with Duane Reade. However unseemly you may find drug companies, they are a million times less harmful to society than Mexican cartels or local street gangs or

Ugh why is Reply so sensitive...was just trying to scroll.

As to the homeless, schizophrenic, addicted, migrant, and other vulnerable populations...we really need a Federal solution. It's crazy to house them on the planet's most expensive land just because we happen to have the tax base (and ethics) to do so. Much as I'm tempted to punish the unspeakable cruelty of Abbott/DeSantis, we shouldn't just undesirables on them either. The solution needs to be uniform, well coordinated, and the costs spread fairly. Otherwise people will just take advantage of it...even people who (via so called leadership positions) ought to know better.

Allegedly the McDonald's on Delancey Street.
https://twitter.com/McgooShakes/status/1570928249798270979?t=Kmpv8EgjKVVJiRbjTFSVlQ&s=19

I would propose a solution to strictly adhere to the 6 months definition for Constitutionally guaranteed Fair & Speedy trial. Now it's like the Steven Wright joke "I went down the street to the 24-hour grocery. When I got there, the guy was locking the front door. I said, “Hey, the sign says you’re open 24 hours.” He said, “Yes, but not in a row.”

As far as sex businesses it's not just Times Square. It happened all over under Giuliani, couple of years ago in Greenwich Village and currently in Chelsea and Sunset Park, but also still all over to the extent they still exist. But the point isn't about violence between the "drug" stores but what happens around them. Do people remember Off Track Betting?

There was an OTB on my old block. Drunk guy on the sidewalk passed out on his back spurting a fountain of urine through his doubleknit slacks,

Ha! The one on 23rd Street?

steve123,
From what I understand in the 1950s there were close to 100,000 inpatient psychiatric beds in New York State. Through decades long "deinstitutionalization" policies that's down to below 5,000.

Many were sold off under the Pataki administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/26/nyregion/new-york-to-sell-mental-facilities.html

It was probably well intentioned (as well as cost cutting) but now we have to deal with that population somehow. Many are in our jail/prison population instead (and costing plenty of money there). Others are costing money the way you pointed out above. I haven't seen a decent study adding up all the societal costs, but one would have to take into account things like people not wanting to Return To Office in Midtown (and elsewhere) because they are afraid of interactions with these people in the subway.

I grew up across Alley Pond Park from Creedmoore Psychiatric facility. It sits largely abandoned (except for what's been sold off). I think it would take bravery that I doubt exists in today's NYC politicians but I believe facilities here could be renovated/built to deal with a substantial number of NYC severely mentally disturbed homeless population.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html#:~:text=Deinstitutionalization%20is%20the%20name%20given,to%20the%20mental%20illness%20crisis.

These people aren't going to simply disappear because we don't know what to do with them. Neither are NYCHA residents. Nor an increasing number of people who are being forced into various levels of criminality due to financial strains of unaffordability of living in NYC.

We have over 60,000 vacant Rent Stabilized apartments being held hostage by landlords trade groups trying to overturn RS and no NYC politician is willing to discuss it. We have a Department of Transportation captured by a lobbying group (backed by Uber & Lyft) causing Congestion On Purpose for the past 2 decades calling car users "the minority" when 45% of NYC households own cars/75% NYC residents regularly use cars while 5% of NYers commute by bicycle/10% take any trips by bicycle. These and other issues are coming to a head slowly.

Call me crazy if you want to, but who told you to expect this 2 years ago?

See: Mental Health Systems Act of 1980. This effectively dismantled the mental health act created by Carter. And released the vast majority of mental health patients into the streets in the 1980's. I saw the effects first hand in a charming little town called Ocean Grove in NJ where the recently released took up residency in the once charming Victorian bed and breakfasts. The saga of Ocean Grove is a story within itself and how a local politician changed the zoning laws to allow the bed and breakfasts to be used as sros.

President Reagan continued what he started in California, or not so much started but finished. Governor Brown started the deinstitutionalization of mental health patients in California before Reagan was elected.

When I lived in California intermittently in the mid 80s, I'd never seen so many homeless (and I was coming from NYC) many obviously severely mentally ill. I spent about a year in Pacific Beach in San Diego, hundreds of people camped out alongside the concrete boardwalk on the beach after dark. Then they would disappear with first light.....

Steve, yes and I hear San Diego is unbelievable these days.

Creedmoor!
There's a name from the past.
My mother had quite a fright when I was a kid in the late 70s as a Creedmoor escapee was in our backyard, naked, hosing himself down with our hose and brushing his teeth.

Great memories of Alley Pond Park, spent many days playing handball, cutting school and smoking pot, etc.

But 30 yrs, given your once past reference to the Steak Loft in a much older thread, I suspect you grew up on the Cardoza high school side of the park and not my Van Buren side of Alley Pond Park.
The park was so big that rarely did anyone from one side play on the other.

Eastern Queens had this great uniqueness. Rural enough to have an abundance of parks and other perks associated with Long Island albeit on a smaller level, and yet benefits of being within city limits such as public transportation with those nickel and then later, dime a ride bus passes.

truthskr10
Yes I was on he block with Alley Pond Nursery directly across from the park (although I never seem to remember anyone placing Real Estate ads with "direct park views" out there).

So Delancey McD Axe man was, unsurprisingly, automatically released pre-trial due to the current laws on the books & minimal charges brought by DA.

As in previous headline cases, Hochul (who has publicly stood behind both bail reform & DA Bragg) is publicly criticizing the results of the law & man she has stood behind.. in this particular case.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/19/hochul-says-da-bragg-went-soft-on-mcdonalds-ax-man/

So we are now in some sort of criminal justice reform by executive exception system?
Maybe she cracks down post election when she's not worried about her left flanks support? Wishcasting I know..

In the last week we had one European tourist shot in the back in UWS during a failed mugging as well as a European tourist raped in the subway in Chelsea.

In other news the city has a $10B deficit pending so here come the service cuts & tax increases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/19/nyregion/budget-crisis-economy-nyc.html

Has anybody read the 'New Kings of New York yet'?

That tourist shooting was very close to a building where we did an extensive restoration to a Classic 6 and after almost 20 years the only thing they changed was paint when it resold last year. https://streeteasy.com/building/885-west-end-avenue-new_york/3b

A guy I play softball with on Sundays still lives there.

I don't think anybody represents New York City better than this guy! After a couple of years with the family out in LA, they are back...

https://youtu.be/igZ6PoZAszQ

I am not loving the NYC vibe these days. Administration has converted major thoroughfares into one-lanes, and then you have the UN hit and its stupid. I don't feel safe walking by myself (if I am dressed in white collar clothing as well), although I don't feel unsafe - I feel I just need to take more care than before. Truthfully, I feel like I should prepare to get mugged at some point (even though I have no basis for this) and the need to add subway cameras just adds to the vibe. I feel panhandling has gotten more aggressive. I took the subway the other day and felt like throwing up (a hot day and the smells were just overpowering). And the cost of everything is up. And I don't expect anything to change, especially when people vote for grandpappys favorite primary color over anything else. I thought I would be an outlier here (with cost of everything up, I would assume that is just more demand) - but this thread doesn't have me thinking so.

Right its hard to see things getting dramatically better in the near term given politicians tenure remaining, budgets & economy heading downwards, etc.

The MTA cameras crack me up because my first thought is - ok great so when they record the crimes, are the crimes actually going to be prosecuted? Will people be remanded to custody, bail set, with charges that are prison eligible? Because the current political thinking would seem like no.

I mean look at our friend the Delancey McD Hatchet Man. Note the guy is well known downtown and lots of comments on social media posts identified him by name & mentioned him being a psycho, so this isn't some one-off.

He instigates the whole thing harassing some a woman and getting into an argument with an employee, some bystanders then start beating him up to get him to leave, so he pulls a hatchet smashing up the store & walking around threatening customers. All of this is on multiple cameras between cell phones and store cameras.

He was automatically released immediately no-bail due to the lack of seriousness of the charges Bragg hit him with.

How many 1000s of nuts like him are wandering the streets?

It's going to be interesting as congestion pricing goes into effect. I noticed a lot of GenZ who moved here in the last decade were disproportionate riders of Uber/Lyft/etc, especially for their age. Now that they actually have to ride the trains I wonder if it will change how they vote a bit.

They can still use Uber. The will just have to pay more.

FiDi too.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/01/nycs-financial-district-is-now-blighted-with-crime-vagrants/

I went to a few CVS stores last week looking for something specific. I hadn't really been to one in quite a while. Lots of partially empty shelves, plus of course some things behind plexiglass. Part of inflation must be all the shoplifting going on.

Re: shoplifting
One of my friends kid worked apparel retail all summer.
Very lefty kid, marched in a lot of the rallies the last 2 years, etc.
A few weeks of working & he did start to question a lot of things.

Kid observed staggering amounts of shoplifting, into the 5 figures (100s of items) some days. In one of Manhattan's fancy neighborhood fancy shopping avenues.
All from organized theft & fencing operations, some of which have been in the news.
It all shows up for resale online later.

None of these folks were stealing baby formula or a loaf of bread for dinner.
Seems like they decided to get jobs doing crimes instead of one of the many legal job openings business have been desperate to fill.
Etc..

Biggest fence on the planet is Amazon.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/17/the-fight-against-stolen-products-on-amazon-and-facebook-marketplace.html

Plus so much of their merchandise is counterfeit.

Amazon is also the biggest killer of NYC retail stores.
People forget NYC already had a retail store problem prior to Covid.

Covid extended the problem to office buildings and restaurants.

Amazon has caused instant Walmartization nationally and the term"disruptor" is putting it lightly.

Walmartization-
1)Basically setting up shop in a town
2) Lowering prices enough to put all the smaller surrounding competitors out of biz
3) Raise prices when overly dominant and not many outside choices

While this was, yes , somewhat an issue, it was cumbersome.
It takes time to scope out, brick and mortar, and apply this one town at a time (or even 100 towns at a time).

Amazon with home delivery made this happen instantly and faster than you can sing ZZ Top's "Im Bad, Im Nationwide."

And Walmart and Amazon have both substantially leveraged tax loopholes and uncertainty (property tax assessments via the 'dark store theory' of valuation', and cross-border sales taxes, respectively).

Waiting to see how dark store theory works in NYC given the empty office space and store fronts (hoping NYC assessors are smarter than these mostly rural assessors, but not holding my breath).

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-14/to-cut-taxes-big-box-stores-use-dark-store-theory

AFAIK dark store theory doesn't work with NYC Tax Code.

Sunday Times had a long editorial calling for Federal funding/oversight of community-based mental health.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/04/opinion/us-mental-health-community-centers.html

This proposal doesn't cover NY specific concerns -- eg patients traveling (or being sent) to the communities with the most resources, rather than the ones with the best capacity and CoL -- but would be a huge improvement on all other fronts, and at least the costs of adverse selection would be socialized.

Here's an interesting question - if Zeldin actually wins (increasingly possible), what is his actually ability to reverse bail reform & raise the age, as well as fire Bragg.. vs just promising it?

Dems still control legislature either way with good margin I'd imagine..

I think people who vote for Zeldin because they think he will get rid of bail reform and Bragg and crime will plummet will be just as disappointed as those who voted for Adams on the same assumption. I might vote for him but it will be a protest against Congestion Pricing and Vornado's Penn Station. I have no illusions about the effects of bail reform/firing Bragg. As I stated about it's much more about getting NYPD to start doing their jobs.

Interactive tool helps you explore shootings within 1 mi of the address of your choice.

https://www.thetrace.org/2023/02/gun-violence-map-america-shootings/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=trace-branded&utm_content=edit-promo&center=-73.9964%7E40.7320

Pretty reflective of the impression I got from NYPD stats & local reporting.
In the 5 block radius of my BK apartment, there's been 13 shootings in the last 6 years.
All but 2 of them happened 2020+.
That is to say, 2 shootings 2017-2019, followed by 11 shootings 2020-2022.

This is the kind of stuff that annoys me when people throw the "well its just more press coverage" or "well its not as bad as the 90s" narratives.

The numbers are what they are, and they are objectively.. not great!
Citywide, bough level, and precinct level data all tells similar story.
Starting to turn around a bit in second half of 2022, but tbd... still nearly double the 2017-2019 levels.

And again, maybe I'd considering taking some 1999 level shootings if I could get some 1999 price levels on real estate.

My local Duane Reade is no longer 24-hour , and they have security at all hours now.
Even a police car outside on occasion.

First time in 38 years ... Lenox Hill

It's interesting re-visting my stats from 6 months ago specific to the GV precinct-

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-006pct.pdf
"2022 Murder, Rape, Felony Assault, Burglary, Grand Larceny are all tracking above even 2001 levels.
Burglary might even exceed 1998 levels.
Rape approaching 1993 levels."

So in the end:
* 2022 breached 2001 levels for Murder, Rape, Felony Assault, Burglary and Grand Larceny.
* 2022 breached 1998 levels for Rape & Burglary, and ended up within 15% of 1998 levels for Felony Assault and Grand Larceny.
* Rape actually exceeded any year back to 1990 in the weekly PDF report, but again along with Murder, it is a small absolute number so it's hard to really point to if not for the wider trend

Trend-wise, 2023 vs 2022 YTD shows Grand Larceny +45% and Felony Assault +110%... so they could easily join the "as bad as 1998" bucket by end of 2023 as well.

30 thank you for posting that link. -

stache,
It came across one of my social media feeds and I found it interesting. Especially since I thought I saw some announcement lately about those numbers going down.

Chelsea is better this year IMO but then I don't go over to 8th Ave as much as I used to.