Check out these amazing Chicago condos

Those all look like Trump buildings...

they're better than 99% of NYC condos.

I don't understand - it this streeteasy chicago?

its "I can't afford anything good in NYC, so I'll try and get prices down by claiming second tier cities are better"easy.

Police fatally shoot man on South Side
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1189923,police092808.article

Man, 20, fatally stabbed in Ravenswood
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1190120,stabbing092808.article

Man fatally shot in South Side McDonald's parking lot
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1190386,mcdshooting092808.article

Slaying reported on Northwest Side
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1190871,nwslay092908.article

Cop slain while trying to serve warrant
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/index.html

These look like perfectly nice buildings. To say they are any better then really any middle of the road development in nyc is just silly.

The intro seems to imply that you have to be a sixty year old man with a thirty year old wife to live in a place overlooking a marina with flamingos. Who picnics dressed like that anyway? 2520 = cheese

http://www.lincolnpark2520.com

> These look like perfectly nice buildings. To say they are any better then really any middle of the
> road development in nyc is just silly.

That the best buildings rufus can find "[are not] any better then really any middle of the
road development in nyc" doesn't say quite much for Chicago. Trumps buildings in NYC are considered second (or third) tier. In Chicago, they are the best in town. That says a lot...

I agree that chicago is terrific...I have friends that relocated 3 years ago from nyc and will never move back. The converted lofts are reasonably priced and are completely updated in move-in condition.

Chicago is actually full of old, decrepit and abandoned warehouses.

Just because three condos are going up in Chicago doesn't mean the entire city of Chicago is sleek and modern.

Are you bitter you can't afford a NYC condo?

I don't get this thread at all.

I can post far more beautiful and far more high-rise construction going up in New York versus Chicago. I guess it's all just easier to find and spot in Chicago because Chicago is small and crappy.

Prada_Addict, can you even name 5 NYC condos that are superior to the Chicago condos I posted?

julia is right. all of my friends who moved to Chicago from NYC don't want to move back.

But I bet they beg you repeatedly, incessantly even, to come visit them. A desperate cry for help.

Enjoy the lake-effect snows. They're a good break from the prevailing six-month long subarctic temperatures.

No one here's interested in your endless posts about Chicago and its cheesy, ill-constructed new devs. We're in New York. This is a New York board.

Chicago? No one cares.

> julia is right. all of my friends who moved to Chicago from NYC don't want to move back.

"don't want" = can't afford.

I looked at a place a couple weeks back. A couple was sitting on the steps. Landlord said they were moving back to Chicago because they couldn't find work...

Let's see.

250 East 57th Street

Beekman Place

56 Leonard Street

30 Park Place

123 Washington Street

Do you really think you can out-name me? I just checked and there are around 50 high-rises under construction in Chicago and 180 high rises under construction in New York City.

There are less in Chicago because Chicago is a very crappy city with a population problem.

**SEVERE population problem, at that.

Gaseous_Clay,

I think rufus is just an "urban planner" who lives in Chicago and is trying to get the hundreds of thousands of Chicagoans who have moved to New York City to consider moving back, (since their population "growth" is negative 76,000 people)

It's not going to work, rufus. They left for a reason.

All Chicagoans move to Phoenix, the inner circle of hell.

nyc10022, my friends were making great money in NYC but felt that Chicago was a better deal and provided a superior quality of life. One of them is in his late 20's and lives in a penthouse at the water tower, the same building oprah lives in. How many new yorkers his age can claim to live in a similar apartment? VERY few.

Prada_Addict, where do you get your data for highrises under construction?

The best highrise in Chicago is the new Chicago Spire by Calatrava - it's the only Chicago condo I'd invest in right now (IF I were doing such a thing, which I'm most assuredly NOT....).

"One of them is in his late 20's and lives in a penthouse at the water tower, the same building oprah lives in. How many new yorkers his age can claim to live in a similar apartment? VERY few."

Actually I think the answer would be none unless Oprah has a condo in Manhattan.

"How many new yorkers his age can claim to live in a similar apartment? VERY few."

Everyone I know in Kansas has huge apartments, too.

Point is, you can get a lot more space if you are willing to live somewhere that sucks.

nyc10022, comparing Chicago to kansas further shows your ignorance. Chicago is a world-class cosmopolitan city, and for many well-off people, it makes perfect sense to live in a nice clean city that is cheaper than NYC but also offers all the amenities, such as upscale restaurants and clubs.

"world-class": People around the world, if familiar with Chicago at all, know it only in connection with Al Capone.

They're not even familiar with its outrageous current murder rate.

> nyc10022, comparing Chicago to kansas further shows your ignorance.

Nowhere near as ignorant as comparing Chicago to NYC...

> offers all the amenities

Chicago amenities are closer to Kansas than NYC...

Loyal new yorkers...that's the best thing about new york!!

Why do people take dufus' bait? And I don't even hate Chicago. It's a nice town.
But dufus is a broker or shill from Chicago.

Oh, oh! The "find nice apartments outside of New York" game. Can I play? Please?

Loft with two bedrooms, two and a half bathrooms, and price-wise less than 300k.
http://detroit.craigslist.org/reo/859238995.html

Nice, eh? Too bad it's in Detroit.

So let's put together a hierarchy of cities.

1. New York City
2. Chicago
3. Detroit
4. Los Angeles

Chicago is sort of half-nice, but it's not New York. And if you're not going to live in New York, might as well live in Detroit where you can at least find a nice loft.

There are more high rises under construction in Midtown than the ones being built in the entire city of Chicago, rufus, so please stop spewing misinformation. I can't believe I'm even arguing about what city has more high-rises.

High-rise Building Statistics for New York City

5,550 completed completed
178 under construction under construction
136 proposed proposed
30 under reconstruction under reconstruction
29 approved approved
5 on hold on hold

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk?id=101028

High-rise Building Statistics for Chicago

1,081 completed completed
52 under construction under construction
181 never built never built
76 proposed proposed
29 approved approved

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk?id=101030

Irrelevant

Hey rufus,

What buildings does Chicago have that compare to 15 Central Park West and the Time Warner Center????

I don't see the point in all these Chicago posts. Or in "ranking" cities.

AND, regarding bardamu's hierarchy---what, no San Francisco?! It's only the most beautiful city on earth. Maybe it doesn't have quite as much to do past 10pm as New York, but I'd put it in my top 3. And prices there aren't ridiculously high like there were during the tech bubble, and like Manhattan still is today.

San Fran and Boston are easily nicer than Chicago. And, hell, Miami, Atlanta, San Diego.... the old midwestern cities are at the bottom of the pile.

nyc10022, Boston is nice but too provincial; it's not as exciting and vibrant as Chicago.

Chicago is in the midwest, but it's not an "old" city. It's modern and cutting-edge. Heck, unlike NYC, they have alleys!

The quality of high-rise residential buildings in Chicago far surpass those of NYC. Even on wirednewyork forum, lot of native new yorkers admit that Chicago's buildings are superior.

Umm ... so why don't you move to Chicago?

So? And there are Chicagoans who think New York buildings are better as well.

Chicago is an old city, and I would hardly call it sleek and modern.

This is not sleek and modern: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/85/221282835_ea3f4e8308_b.jpg

In reality, there are few truly sleek and modern high-rises in Chicago...mostly old and ugly.

If you want sleek and modern Vancouver is where it's at.

How can you criticize Chicago for being old when NYC has been around since the 1600's?

you've obviously never been to chicago, based on your inane comments. if you don't think the highrises in lakeshore east, streeterville, gold coast, are modern and sleek, then you just have very strange tastes.

I have strange taste? LMAO, my taste is far too advanced for a simpleton like you. I mean, I question anyone who considers Chicago a sophisticated city tasteless. Taste is something you can't learn so I don't blame you.

By the way, since when did I ever say New York WASN'T old? New York is old, London is old, Paris is old.

You see, now I think I understand you. You think old = ugly and new = the best. If that were the case, why would you be interested in old Chicago when clearly most of the city is old and run-down? If you want sleek and modern, move to Vancouver.

I'm sorry but lakeshore east and gold-coast does not equal Chicago so it's a bit far fetched to call Chicago a modern and sleek city. Need I remind you that 60% of Chicago is "South Side" and in general Chicago is dumpy and gritty. This is like me saying New York City is sleek and modern because Battery Park City is completely sleek and modern....makes no sense.

Dumbass.

my whole point was that the best of Chicago is superior to the best of NYC. so i stand by my assertion that the apartment buildings in those areas i mentioned are better than the ones in upper east side, upper west side, tribeca, soho, etc. i'm sorry, but with the exception of a few outstanding buildings, those areas just aren't that impressive.

And my point is to point out that you are completely void of any taste and there is absolutely no neighborhood in Chicago than can compare to any of those.

Enjoy Chicago!

OK. so it's pretty clear that you've never been to Chicago, given the stuff you're saying.

upper west side? that neighborhood still has housing projects! LOL!

Anyone else think it's hilarious that one of the reasons rufus cites for Chiago being better than NYC is that they have alleys? Alleys, really?

Although I do have to admit that alleys can be useful. When you are drunk and walking around you can pee in them!

rufus just pees in his pants.

But Chicago doesn't just have alleys -- it has little strip-malls with beautiful asphalt parking lots in front, located right smack in the middle of what are supposed to be its prime neighborhoods.

It has hotdog sandwiches with 15 toppings as haut cuisine.

And, as has already been shown to rufus in a map, it has abundant housing project in the near north side -- the very area that rufus wishes he could move to from the Indiana suburbs of Chicago.

I do miss peeing in Chicago alleys. And watching the coons go through the garbage.

rufie -- Glad you're still moving to Chicago. What side will you be on when you live there?

looking at luxury highrise condos in lakeshore east and streeterville, near the lake. they're reasonably priced and better than 99% of the condos here in NYC.

Rufus, they are "reasonably priced" because nobody wants to live in Chicago.

And yes, the Upper West Side is 10X better than any Chicago neighborhood which is why it is priced accordingly.

And yes, I have been to Chicago twice and it is a very forgettable and uncouth city. Very D list. I don't do the midwest, sorry.

How can you criticize Chicago for being old when NYC has been around since the 1600's?

This has to be the funniest sentence I have read all week. Maybe all year. I live on Riverside Drive. Oh wait it's a pre war building--can't be good. Forget the history that is New York. Forget the many groups that came here directly from "the old country" whatever that was and saw the Statue of Liberty (relatively recently really) first thing--then went to Ellis Island then the LES or other places

I pledged a few years ago never to make fun of an "I" state again but really I think anybody will understand if I break that pledge. Though I will have to go back to I state "A" group and then I state rehab--because as long as you're around,I can't help myself. I just can't.....

Thanks Rufus for making me laugh so much

No no rufie -- I didn't mean what neighborhoods; I meant which *side* will you be on. You know, Latin Kings, Insane Gangsta Satan Disciples, etc. etc. etc. There's a vast array of sides you can be on.

See http://www.chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=GANG_MAPS

But I think you'll go with Latin Kings, because last week you were so fixated on the phrase "ad homomen" . . . that's Latin, right?

alanhart -- LMAO. Hilarious. (great link!)

For example, the Insane Spanish Cobras control Schubert & Monticello.

Yes, jjh3d, Chicago has a great wealth of gangs. Yet another way that NY just doesn't compare.

Rufie, if you're having trouble using the map on your iPhone, here's a textual list, with pic links. But it might take awhile to load . . . it's a really really long list of gangs.

http://www.chicagogangs.org/index.php?pr=GANG_LIST

the jealousy of the NYC people towards Chicago is so transparent. Prada_Addict, let me take a guess. you came to Chicago and did the "tourist" stuff. you obviously couldn't get into the upscale clubs and lounges that Chicago has to offer, so you're bitter about your experience. i'm sure you fit in much better here, where you can hang out with other freaks and geeks in the dirty bars of east village and LES.

Maniac Traveling Vice Lords?

Please stop egging dufus on.

Oh, rufus.

LMAO @ "upscale clubs and lounges in Chicago"

Rufus, Rufus, Rufus....even the chic lounges on the Lower East Side are more exclusive and high-end than anything in the entire city of Chicago.

Fabulous people don't to Chicago, rufus; we simply fly over that cesspool en route to the other coast.

Prada_Addict, i've been to the so-called "upscale" venues here, like rose bar, 1oak, socialista, etc., and i assure you that the girls at the exclusive Chicago places are way hotter.

the only reasonably decent place on lower east side is milk and honey. that neighborhood is a freaking joke.

LOL!

rufus, I was born into luxury and "upscale" and I KNOW luxury and upscale.

There is hardly anything luxurious and upscale about Chicago.

Chicago girls, like all midwesterners are fat and dress ugly.

rufie is such a conasewer of upscale clubs and lounges, maybe he'll pledge Gangster Party People

Prada_Addict, growing up in long island does not qualify you as "upscale." Nice try but sorry.

what parts of Chicago did you hang out at in your last visit? did you check out any restaurants or clubs/bars?

Young Chicago women are very much in shape. The notion that NYC women dress that much better or are more "sophisticated" is laughable.

it's also hilarious that i know more about NYC nightlife than you, someone who claims to be "upscale."

LOL!

Actually, dufus I grew up in London.

I went to Chicago last June and I found it absolutely terrible. Chicago is not advanced enough to accommodate such people like. For starters, Chicago is really lacking when it comes to luxury establishments. They only have one Gucci, and it is small and they hardly carry anything and there isnt anything good on Michigan Avenue. The hotels in Chicago are also below my pay grade.

But Chicagoans can't afford designers so who could blame labels for skipping over Chicago when it comes down to opening new stores? I certainly don't.

Please stop egging Pada_Nazi on.

And who are you?

Prada_Addict, you really should stop with your lies. Michigan Avenue has every luxury store imaginable.

Regarding hotels, ever heard of the peninsula in chicago? it's been consistently ranked as one of the best hotels in the U.S.

Please get your facts straight.

Michigan Avenue has every luxury store imaginable?? I suppose after all those years of living and shopping in any cesspool economy city like Chicago, you would say such a thing. Listen rufus, whenever you are ready for real luxury and real labels like Tom Ford, Balenciaga, Alexander McQueen (as we have in New York) I'll be more than willing to direct you.

Poor thing.

Prada_Addict, exactly what Chicago hotels were you referring to as below your pay-grade. It certainly can't be the peninsula or ritz carlton, since those have been ranked as some of the best in the country.

To be clear, both of those hotels are two classes lower than the Peninsula and Ritz Carlton New York City locales which is understandable since the people who visit/live in Chicago are certainly as important and are a few classes below the people in New York City, if you will. New York City luxury establishments cater to true elites and the Chicago branches cater to peasants..

Case in point; the Ritz Carlton New York has a few Bentley and a Maybach at the guest disposal and the Ritz Carlton Chicago uses Lincolns. There aren't true luxury penthouse suites in Chicago hotels as there are in New York hotels.

There is no luxury in Chicago which understandably is a mere reflection of the citizens of Chicago.

certainly NOT as important***

well, travel and leisure magazine ranked peninsula chicago above ritz carlton, four seasons, and peninsula in NYC. I'll trust them over you.

Can you even name, say 4 or 5, NYC clubs/lounges/bars, that are more exclusive than the best of Chicago?

A more exclusive club than Almight Krazy Getdown Boys? I don't think so!

Prada_Addict: As much as we all admire your disproving rufus' ill-founded assumptions, your last few posts (including calling everyone that can't afford Gucci "peasants" and alluding to a wealthy upbringing) makes you seem like the type of spoiled trust-funder everybody loves to hate (and not because we're jealous.)

Prada_Addict has no idea what she's talking about. her comments on Chicago are so off base that I laughed my ass off, reading it.

much like yourself eh?

regarding hotels, i cited actual FACTS to back up my claims. Look up any travel guide, and you'll see that peninsula chicago is at the very top. The peninsula in NYC is a complete joke.

rufie, have you caught up on your reading of this past weekend's Chicago murders? Because I have a whole bunch more for you from yesterday alone.

alanhart, those murders took place in the far south and west side, which is chicago's version of bronx and brooklyn.

Speaking of that, are you still claiming to have grown up in NY and/or currently live here? Your usage of the English language in that sentence clearly indicates otherwise.

And those two boroughs don't have murders very frequently anyway. That's why Chicago is so much closer to Detroit on the murder rankings than NY is.

my usage of the english language? since when do people who live in nyc write differently from those who live in other parts of the country?

1624

alanhart, i know when NYC was founded. please cite specific examples regarding my writing.

it's interesting that all the people on this board accuse me of not being a new yorker, rather than address the substance of my claims.

If you are familiar with NYC history then why are you making statements like this...

"LES is horrendous. are there any decent apartment buildings there? they all look like absolute sh*t."

I'll say it again, perhaps for starters the easiest thing would be for you to just rent the Gangs of NY.

1. In the Indiana suburbs of Chicago, you say "better than the ones in upper east side, upper west side"; we say "*on* *the* Upper West Side"

2. In the Indiana suburbs of Chicago, you say "chicago's version of bronx and brooklyn", we say "of *The* Bronx and Brooklyn"

3. Man slain in West Pullman http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1195465,pullman100108.article

4. Man stabbed on Loop CTA platform http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1195463,ctastab100108.article

5. At least 2 wounded in Humboldt Park shooting http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1195533,shooting100108.article

Sizzlack, rufie's still catching up with chicagogangs.com . . . and he'll need a lot of time to get through a tome like that before seeing Gangs of NY.

Sizzlack, are you seriously denying that LES is dirty or that the vast majority of the apartment buildings there are old and crappy? i suggest that you take a stroll through the neighborhood to see what i'm talking about.

no doofus I am trying to explain to you why it looks like it does. The LES was the home to numerous generations of European immigrants, and in the mid 19th Century was a small community around the Collect Pond until they filled it in with garbage and it became a slum. The LES is no where near as dirty as it used to be, and if you value NYC history it is truly a fantastic place. But I see where you are coming from, to you it is just a dirty place full of people who aren't like you.

rufie, one of the things Chicago has going for it is its great supply of "vintage" apartments, as they call prewars there. How very very sad that you'd be focused on its ugly, tacky new construction instead.

I see where he's coming from also: the Indiana suburbs of Chicago. When he'll first arrive is another question.

and those "old crappy" buildings you are referring to are former tenements (of course they aren't luxury...they were built as tenements). I have an even better movie for you to watch, Sergio Leone's 'Once Upon a Time in America', about a couple of Jewish kids growing up in the LES around the turn of the 20th Century.

rufie, one of the things Chicago has going for it is it great supply of "vintage" apartments, as they call prewars there. How very very sad that you'd be focused on its ugly, tacky new construction instead.

it looks like Prada_Addict went away since she couldn't respond to my factual claims on Chicago hotels. LOL!

perhaps that is because this board has nothing to do with Chicago or the hotels there

RUFUS, first of all I'm a guy.

And according to that very same Leisure and Travel magazine, New York City is the best city in the United States. They also ranked New York City as one of the best in the WORLD and Chicago is nowhere to be seen.

In any case, Travel and Leisure magazine is hardly the bible hotel rankings because according to American Express Centurion Magazine (I wouldn't expect you to have read it because someone like yourself wouldn't ever qualify for an AMEX Centurion) the best hotels in the World are as following:

1. Burj Al Arab Dubai
2. Four Seasons Hotel New York City
3. Mandarin Oriental Hotel New York City
4. Four Seasons Hotel George V Paris
5. President Wilson Hotel Geneva
....
...
10. Peninsula Hotel New York City.

The Peninsula Hotel Chicago is nowhere on the list. No hotel in Chicago is anywhere on the list because let's face it, Chicago will always be a D list and the type of clientele Chicago attracts are are usually C list at best. Hardly anybody of taste and sophistication would even be the midwest...I mean Chicago (unless it were for business) so we just suck it up and stay in lowly Chicago hotels.

Let me repeat myself; Chicago is ugly, Chicago is run-down, Chicago is D list, Chicago is in the midwest. Did I miss anything?

alanhart - Good job on the use of language....it is a total giveaway! Rufus knows he is caught, so he won't address this issue now.

He also uses phrases like "stroll the neighborhood." No one in NYC talks like that. That is straight out of the midwest.

As I've said before, ignore Rufus.

Rufus is some 16 year old kid who failed out of school and can't get a job anywhere, so he plays all day on his "dad's" computer....and by dad, I mean his mother's live-in, unemployed, alcoholic boyfriend who makes Rufus call him uncle when he "tucks" him in at night.

Ignore him. He just says ridiculous things to get people riled up.

Rufus, have some self-respect and log into youporn. Leave NYC RE to the adults

Oh, and as I've said in the past, the transportation selection of each respective New York City and Chicago branch of the Peninsula and Ritz Carlton speaks volumes of the type of clientele each hotel caters too.

As I've said,

Ritz Carlton New York City: Maybach, Rolls-Royce Phantom, Bentley Arnage, Mercedes S550.

Ritz Carlton Chicago: Lincoln Town Car, Lincoln Limo.

I've been to both and you can call and confirm if you'd like. How repulsively low-class; needless to say, I'm done with my midwestern voyages.

Prada_Addict, your assertion that more "important" and "upscale" people visit NYC as opposed to Chicago, is completely laughable. You obviously know nothing about business, but Chicago is the world's capital of derivatives trading, and hosts more business conventions than any city in the U.S. Once again, you should get your facts straight before talking out of your ass.

Rufus, according to this post on another forum you live in Chicago

http://www.city-data.com/forum/search.php?searchid=8221059

and

http://www.city-data.com/forum/search.php?searchid=8221090

and

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=711172

It's so weird. He is so easy to spot on other NYC forums/ Sometimes he claims he lives in New York City and sometimes he claims to live in Chicago. He repeats the same things as he does on here with the alleys and the Chicago high-rises and the nightlife and the projects.

He also always says "there are only high rises in the Lincoln Center area" which gives it away that he doesn't live in NYC.

How can someone be this obsessed with New York City? I just don't get it.

Rufus, go outside and enjoy living in Chicago. You sound like a mad man.