Will NYC ever improve its waterfront?

Chicago's waterfront is akin to Miami Beach. It is amazing. Meanwhile New York's waterfront is overrun with factories and housing projects. Ever heard of Far Rockaway? What a disaster.

gtt, I agree. Chicago's waterfront is the ideal that every city with a waterfront should imitate.

NYC's waterfront is an abomination and is visual proof that the city is old, tired, and declining. It simply cannot compete with Chicago.

Look! Rufus has a new friend!

chicago isn't "waterfront". Its on a LAKE. Calling that "waterfront" is hillarious.
Yeah, just like miami beach.

Ever been to Oak Street Beach?
Compare it to Coney Island.

Coney Island - take the overcrowded F train through war torn areas of Brooklyn. Finally get off Neptune Avenue and feel like you are in the middle of the biggest housing project in the United States. Get robbed as you walk to the beach. Hear Puerto Ricans arguing louder than there salsa music playing on there boomboxes. Try to buy a water and get charged $3.00 for a water by a Russian with prison tattos all over his body. The beach is surrounded by police because the potential for something to jump off is constant.

Going to Oak Street Beach in Chicago - drive your car and park easily on a street without confusing parking rules. Go to the beach and enjoy the day with other well behaved civilized people. Don't have to see a cop because everybody behaves themself. Don't see a housing project or look alike housing project high rise building for miles.

I'll take down-at-its heels Coney Island over corn-fed fatties any day.

gtt, be easy on them. These fools have never been to oak street beach and cannot comprehend living in a nicce clean city with amazing waterfront, great apartments, and gentrified neighborhoods.

Oak street beach is awesome. It's good to be in an area where I don't have to see housing projects and thugs roaming the streets.

In Chicago, graffiti is never seen. Only by the railroad tracks and that's it. They do not spray paint all over private property like NYC. They do not have to mark up there territory like dogs.

In Chicago they put garbage to the curb in neat looking black uniform trash recipticals. In NY they pile it up in garbage bags even in so called wealthy areas like Soho. Just another example of how much cleaner Chicago is then New York.

great point again, gtt. There is so much graffitti in NYC that I often feel like I'm in gang territory or some African city.

NYC is uncivilized, uncultured, and bordering on barbaric.

And in Chicago you only see gates on storefront windows in the worst of the worst neighborhoods like Austin or Englewood. Not even in Hyde Park.

But in NYC theres gates on storefronts in every area even the best neighborhoods. Because people here are thieves and will steal anything if it's not locked up and protected. Look at one of there finest citizens, Bernie Madof. Biggest criminal in the world.

And why does NYC think they have the best pizza? Ever heard of Lou Malnati's? Or Palmero's 95th on 95th Street in Oak Lawn. I laugh when they claim to have the best pizza.

If NYC is so bad, why do you hang out with us? Rufus is the annoying guy at the bar telling anyone who would listen that the place "sucks", yet still stays there.

gtt, where do you currently live?

www.lincolnpark2520.com

NYC could never envision such a project. Maybe in 20 yrs. This makes 15 central park west look like a dollhouse.

I am stuck in Brooklyn Heights unfortunately. They claimed this area was like the Gold Coast of Chicago but it is more like Pilsen to me. Graffiti everywhere and the streets are so narrow. I hate it. Where do you live?

gtt, I posted a link to that building in an earlier thread. It's simply amazing. Perfect architecture, and perfect location. Yeah, it makes 15 CPW look like a piece of shit.

I'm really sorry about your situation. Why did you move to NYC? Brooklyn heights is god awful and is a third world compared to gold coast or lincoln park.

I live in the upper west side. Will be moving to Chicago soon.

A large ugly building on a park and a lake.

Yes, we could never envision a project like that. We'd have a much better looking building, and it would be on a nicer park, and not next to a pond. We have oceans here, not ponds.

And the building wouldn't go bankrupt while they tried to build it.

And did you just complain about narrow streets? What a putz.

I got transferred. Worst experience of my life. It is awful here. Rudest people on earth here. Dirtiest place in all my travels. Like Beiruit.
Where are you going to live in Chicago? I lived on the Near North Side.
So expensive for garbage here. I cant believe how dirty and crowded and overpriced it is. Chicago is so much calmer. The upper west side is ok but nothing like wrigleyville or streetervile or gold coast. When do you move back? I wish I was also.

Apparently, there is so much poverty in chicago they can't afford to have their own message boards.

did lincoln park 2520 go bankrupt? i did not hear that. but 1 bedrooms start at 500 not 2 million like overpriced NYC. Why would anyone intentionally live here if they didnt absolutely have to?

gtt, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Yes, the people here are rude, and the women are atrocious compared to the Chicago women.

I'm looking at condos in gold coast, streeterville, and lakeshore east.

Upper west side is OK, but it's mediocre compared to the neighborhoods you mentioned. But then again, the best of NYC simply cannot compete with the best of Chicago.

That is a good-looking building. What is the price range?

Chicago is a good city with some nice architecture, but it is no comparison to NYC. It's dirtier, tamer, and just has so much less going on. And the weather is much worse. Sorry guys, Chicago just doesn't measure up to NYC.

LICComment, dirtier? Are you on crack? Go visit chicago before saying such nonsense. NYC has garbage bags on every street corner and most of the buildings are covered in grafitti. It looks like a third-world city.

Can you even name any NYC condo that looks nicer than lincoln park 2520?

I thought not.

oh yes nyc10022, who would ever want to live on a park and views of a crystal blue lake? sounds like a nightmare.

Chicago is far superior to NYC in sense of community. We don't hate each other like they do here. If you live in the Chicago area, which we call Chicagoland, we don't hate you. We have a common sense of identity. Here, everyone has to distinguish themselves and separate themselves. Go back to Jersey. I live on Long Island. Or I would never live in Queens. Or Westchester is rich. They are all different and all hate each other.

rufus, I've been. Chicago is pretty dirty. The small area around the commercial buildings and the museums is fine, but move past that and the city is dirty. Much worse than NYC. And there are tons more homeless people everywhere in Chicago compared to NYC.

Every big city has graffiti. NYC is no worse than other places.

> oh yes nyc10022, who would ever want to live on a park and views of a crystal blue lake? sounds like
> a nightmare.

Sounds like kansas. or Milwaukee. or 1000 other cities in the US.
You're almost as good as Detroit!

> We have a common sense of identity.

Yes, its called jealousy. Certainly brings you together.

LICComment, 1 bedrooms start at $500,000 and the penthouse goes for $12 million. Beautiful building. Glad you appreciate beauty when you see it.

By far, noone would say NYC is not dirty. It is so dirty here you have become immune to it. You see graffiti everywhere and it doesn't even phase you. In chicago, Mayor Daley's graffiti busters get rid of graffiti the next day before the paint even dries. It is so dirty and graffiti tagged and noisy here. And there is always traffic here at all times of the day. In Chicago, past 10 the streets get very quiet as people have to work the next morning. Not party and stay out all night and sleep all day and just collect there welfare checks like NYC.

Hardly anyone ever honks there horn in Chicago. Here, if you don't go thru a red light, they honk there horns at you. Rudest most obnoxious people on earth. Noone speaks English and the ones that do have such heavy New York accents you cant even understand them.

I'll take Baghdad over Chicago

10022 - hilarious -- "Just like Miami beach!"

And the women are so money hungry here. They all look the same, with there Prada bags. Clones of Sex and the City. And they all think they are God's gift. Please, they would only be so lucky to get with a stud like me.

There have been few women worth my time here. And the ones that are hot are visiting from other cities. Manhattan is 50% gay, and 90% liberal and 100% overpriced. I feel sorry for people that were born here. You don't know the way a city is supposed to be.

Wait til Chicago wins the Olympics and we show off the gem on the lake.

poor rufus and his imaginary friend gtt are once again lost in a New York City real estate board.

I will submit an enhancement request to streeteasy asking that the name of the person who starts the topic appears after the topic name in the LATEST DISCUSSIONS display. Another nice feature would be to be able to have a little "forget" button next to it. If the first one is implemented, then I won't have to waste my time looking at threads started by pathetic Chicagoans like rufus.

The norm in NYC is to wait in your car an hour to get through a tunnel. That many people are daily leaving this God foresaken place. No wonder everyone from Long Island thinks they are God's gift. At least they don't have to live in NYC.

People in Chicago refere to the entire Northeast, from NJ to Conn. as God's armpit. Even Conn, which people think is heaven, is an armpit. Ever been to Bridgeport? or Hartford? Or New Haven? Or Stamford? Complete armpits. Dirty beyond beleif.

can't handle NYC. go back to Pleasantville

I love how NYC's Standard Hotel, the so called hottest club in NYC is located 2 short blocks from a massive crime infested housing project. Typical. Housing projects dominate the skyline of Queens and Brooklyn. You see all those housing projects lining the Long Island Expressway and the Brooklyn Queens Expressway. It's outrageous.

> In Chicago, past 10 the streets get very quiet

I love how they are rationalizing "noone wants to live in Chicago" and "there is so little nightlife" as "we like it quiet".

So, parks and quiet. You really are competing with Kansas!

> Hardly anyone ever honks there horn in Chicago.

Or spells.

Tought to have traffic when no one wants to be there.

> And the women are so money hungry here.

Well, it comes with the territory. We have money, so money hungry women come here. Some like 'em, some don't.

But I don't believe you're trying to play off the "we don't have any money in chicago" to be a positive!

gtt, also, don't forget 1OAK, which is one of NYC's hottest clubs. It's on west 17th street, and is a few blocks from housing projects. NYC is a joke. How can people insist that the city is "glamorous," when half the city is projects and grafitti ridden buildings?

> half the city is projects and grafitti ridden buildings?

So, we'd be more "glamorous" if we made that 90% like Chicago?

Total joke, couldn't agree more.

I only feel bad for the tourists from Europe and other places that come here and they think that the rest of the U.S. is like this hell hole. No wonder they think Americans are rude and the U.S. is dirty.

Fact: There are more housing projects in NYC than any other city in the U.S.
Fact: Chicago has gone to great lengths to raze the overwhelming of the crime infested, poverty breeding grounds high rise housing projects. All of the disaster that ws Robert Taylor Homes are gone, thank God. And most of Cabrini Green is gone, with a few holdouts making it hard to demolish the remaining buildings. And the Henry Horner Homes. Gone. NYC should learn a lesson from this. High rise housing projects are breeding grounds for crime, poverty and problems. Instead, they put them everywhere in NYC

ggt is without a doubt Rufus.

And gtt/Rufus...I'll say this yet again...this time in regards to the "waterfront":

No matter what Chicago may have, no matter how amazing or special or fantastic, it's located in Chicago where none of us want to be.

Its kind of fun to watch Rufus have a conversation with himself (gtt). Kind of gives you an idea of what goes on in his head, except this time we can all read it.

> Fact: There are more housing projects in NYC than any other city in the U.S.

There is pretty much more of everything in NYC, given its twice the size of NYC.

But Chicago has more per capita.
And more crime
And more poverty.
And less of everything good...

> NYC should learn a lesson from this.

How to become a poorer and less successful city?

We should be doing the exact opposite of whatever Chicago does, given how far behind it has fallen.

twice the size of any other city, that is... (at least)

and is rufus now complaining that the tourist don't come to Chicago?

Of course not, it sucks. Why the hell would they spend money to go there?

No I am not Rufus. nyc10022, you don't even know how big your city is? Yes, you are about 4 times bigger than Chicago but you have many more housing projects. Chicago got rid of most of them.

I hate NYC so much and from the way you guys have conversations on this website, you hate NYC also. Why else would you guys get happy when prices are dropping and people are getting laid off. You are wishing death to your own city and celebrating. Less jobs, lower real estate transactions = higher taxes, higher crime, less political clout. You fools just subconsciously hate your city whereas Rufus and I overtly hate your city. We're all the same. Everyone hates NYC.

I love NYC

> No I am not Rufus. nyc10022, you don't even know how big your city is? Yes, you are about 4 times
> bigger than Chicago

No, you just can't read... I said at least twice as big as any other city. I like how you assume that Chicago is the first city to compare NYC to. You're not, you don't even make the top 10 on the new york cares list...

> but you have many more housing projects.

Chicago BLOWS AWAYS NYC in terms of crime and poverty. Not sure what you are trying to brag about here.

> Less jobs, lower real estate transactions = higher taxes, higher crime, less political clout.

Yes.... more like Chicago. but as I said, Chicago is getting worse even faster, so NYC is actually getting relatively better each day.

Sucks to be Chicago!

I love how Rufus uses the 'Rufus' tag to pretend he is a NYer and talk about NY without stating outright how much he hates it. But with his 'gtt' tag he lets loose how he really feels. There is simply no way two people, both from Chicago, have nothing better to do than rant at the same time and place about the same things (projects, women, cleanliness). Thats like me finding a board on Juneau Alaska and ranting on there and then all of a sudden meeting someone from NYC on a Juneau message board, who also happens to be ranting about the same thing. The internet is a big place, but it isn't that big. Nice try Rufus/gtt.

Rufus is annoying, but Chicago waterfront is really impressive. And I think overall, their residential buildings are nicer than ours.

Surprise... ANOTHER new handle.

Wow, the Chicago folks really have a vested interest in propping up Chicago.

I guess the economy must be pretty horrible over there.

Certainly no playoff revenues coming...

uh, NYC probably has more housing projects than Chi-town because it's a BIGGER city.

And Chicago's so segregated, there's hardly any intermingling among different people. In NYC you see all walks of life instead of living in an insular cocoon.

And all the European tourists I see absolutely LOVE NY.

They call the midwest America's heartland - because they left the brain on the E coast!

Who is this clown gtt/rufus talking bad about my city. If you dislike NY so much, why are you on this board idiot?

It's a fact that NYC's waterfront is mediocre and looks downright ghetto, compared to the beautiful lakefront of Chicago.

If it's a fact, show us where it says so in the wikipedia. Or at least Ripley's Believe It or Not.

Chicago's waterfront has only one great feature -- Meigs Field. I think it's really cool that there's scheduled commercial air service in a lakefront airport that's right downtown. Chicago will always have that over NY.

alanhart, navy piers is better than chelsea piers. Lake Michigan is more attractive than hudson or east rivers.

If Navy Pier is so great, why are there plans to destroy it?

No, sorry PsychoCrackerBoy, only Meigs Field is worthwhile, and only because of its scheduled commercial passenger air service.

alanhart, there are no plans to destroy navy piers.

Chicago has oak street and north avenue beach, which are really popular hangout spots during the summer. NYC has nothing comparable. And please don't say coney island,, which is a complete ghetto.

Oak Street Beach and North Avenue Beach are, besides being complete ghettos (but with vicious biting flies), basically nothing more than the shoulder of the adjacent freeway. Very unpleasant. And, of course, no salt water. Very unhealthful and just no fun.

There's a $2 billion plan (your tax dollars hard at work!) to destroy and rebuild Navy Pier. They're doubling the amount of parking. They need to, what with having no subway system and all.

Navy Pier has a statue of Bob Newhart, patron saint of Chicago's lakefront skyline. Truly.

Although overall the city doesn't compare, I'll take Baltimore's inner harbor as the best city waterfront. Discuss.

Wow I'm amazed rufus responded to himself with one of his alter egos (JohnAnthony). How come no one really called him on it? Rufus you have zero credibility. Why you continue to post just shows how absolutely stupid and in denial you are.

oh sh*t that was 6 weeks ago mybad.

The waste tranfer station will soon open on east 90th street. Every spec of residential trash collected in Manhatan will exit the island from that location. EVERY PIECE OF TRASH. That should make for some intersting waterfront smell tours. You can take the family to watch the majestic barges haul away thousands of metric tons of rotting waste, 24 hours a day seven days a week. Now if you live in Yorkville you can take the smell tour from thr privacy of your own home. Take that Chicago!

Our sh*t doesn't smell.

LOL! NYC is so ghetto that they have waste stations near upper east side! I guess that's the city's definition of "upscale living." What a freaking joke.

Anyone who honestly thinks NYC's waterfront is better than Chicago's, is an idiot.

I have no bad feelings for Chicago. Nobody in this town really does. In fact, unless we have to make a connecting flight we never even think about Chicago. Here's some good stuff about Chicago. The single women are generous with their honey distribution. As I remember you don't even have to give your last name. Milk fed pie face chubby girls with good attitudes. With enough alcohol in you it can appear to be the fat, blonde, rythemless version of Rio deJeniro. It's got food too! Ever try that super bready crap they call pizza? No No...Chicago is an OK place compared to.............Newark! (sorry Newark)

Well, not compared to Newark, but maybe Camden. By the way, falco, good job baiting PsychoCrackerBoy!!!

I guess waste stations near upper east side isn't his "cup of tea", as he used to like to say.

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LOL! NYC is so ghetto that they have waste stations near upper east side!

near upper east side? oh yea someone from Hammond wouldn't realize we put a the in front.

Death by hickies? Necrophilia?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1420592,w-man-found-dead-harvey-020909.article

Rufus is now officially my favorite part of streeteasy. He's funny with a high cringe factor--like you are almost embarrassed for him, but not quite.

He reminds me in some strange way of those boxing nun toys that appeared out of nowhere awhile ago ... only the exact opposite of that.

yo rufus, whassup w/ the constant chicago theme?! let go man (or woman..)

True - NYC maybe dirty, has a lot of scumbags and rats walkin' around, but like it or not is *still* the "center of the world".

Chicago is lucky to have Citadel headq. there, o/w few would care about it - the mullet capital of the midwest...

Lake Michigan Beach Made List Of Nation's Most Polluted

A South Side stretch of Lake Michigan has made the list of the most polluted beaches in the U.S.

A new report has revealed that Jefferson Park's 63rd Street Beach is considered one of the six most polluted beaches nationwide.

The latest water study conducted by the Natural Resources Defense Council showed more than 50-percent of the time, bacteria levels at the beach exceeded national standards.

Health officials warn that high levels of bacteria can cause anything from gastroenteritis to pink eye and in some cases, the bacteria can even prove fatal.

Swim bans or advisories at Jefferson Park Beach were issued on 35 days in 2006 between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

(Copyright 2007 by Newsroom Solutions/Regional News Service

http://centralillinoisproud.com/content/fulltext/?cid=3426

alanhart, jefferson park beach is on the far south side, in the ghetto. Nice try though.

PsychoCrackerBoy, ALL of Chicago is the ghetto, and its waterfront is an unendurable filthy polluted mess.

Do you really think that water-borne pollution on the far side correlates in no way with the quality of the water in Lake Michigan on the north side? Is it because the strong ocean currents run only one way. What's that you say . . . stagnant? Yeah, I thought so.