Last November, a lot of people voted for Obama because he was smart, articulate, and calm, during the financial crisis. He soundly defeated McCain in the debates. And a lot of moderate and liberal whites desperately wanted to see a black president, so they can alleviate their racial guilt. Now, this country is getting a wakeup call and realizing just who Obama is. He is the most unvetted, liberal,... [more]
Last November, a lot of people voted for Obama because he was smart, articulate, and calm, during the financial crisis. He soundly defeated McCain in the debates. And a lot of moderate and liberal whites desperately wanted to see a black president, so they can alleviate their racial guilt.
Now, this country is getting a wakeup call and realizing just who Obama is. He is the most unvetted, liberal, inexperienced, and naive man to ascend to the presidency in at least a hundred years. He is pandering to the Muslim world, desperate to get their approval and has indicated that he wants to talk to Iran and Venezuela, as if that will somehow make them like us more. On domestic policy, the stimulus package is a debacle. It is full of wasteful spending, with very little dedicated to actual economic growth and job creation. Obama's interviews with 5 network anchors to get his message across was the sign of a desperate and weak man, definitely not that of a strong leader. I can't imagine FDR, Truman, or Reagan, acting this way.
And now, Obama will cripple our city by imposing a salary cap on all the employees at banks that took TARP money. Even a superstar trader who makes millions for his firms will be limited at $500K because that's what Obama wants. Make no mistake about it. Obama wants to transform this great country into a weak socialist state.
On a final note, I'm glad that the republicans have unified and are putting up a great fight against the liberal stimulus package.
01.20.13
Obama's Last Day
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Response by uwsmom
almost 17 years ago
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this is a nice resurrection ... I would like to applaud Obama for getting stem cell research in high gear again!!! It was a good day :)
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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I think its Clinton, not Carter.... he keeps moving toward the center... (not a bad thing)
Thats much more right than the left union stance. merit pay, testing, tying $$$ to test results. Sending nurses home, ok that is quite French, but its 4 of 5.
The EFCA is probably the big leftie thing that worried me... and he shelved it until recently, when he mentioned it at a union conference... if he holds off on that, I think we can officially say he went center after election.
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Response by happyrenter
almost 17 years ago
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lol, i don't think so. increased funding for headstart, increased funding for teacher training, nurse visits in the home, tougher national standards (aren't conservatives supposed to be for local control of education and vouchers?).
there is a major split within the liberal wing of the democratic party on education, and obama has aligned himself with the reformist wing. but it is unquestionable a left-liberal sort of a reform.
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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> tougher national standards (aren't conservatives supposed to be for local control of education and
> vouchers?).
Obama is just picking up where Bush left off...
"To help promote this goal, Obama said he would push for funding in the No Child Left Behind law to be more effectively tied to results"
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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Standards are definitely rightie (or more rightie).... the unions HATE the standards.
Teacher training? You're claiming that as a left idea?
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Response by uwsmom
almost 17 years ago
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anyone wanna give me an "S"
a "T", an "E'.....YAH for Stem Cells!
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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ditto.
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Response by happyrenter
almost 17 years ago
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yes--federal funding for teacher training is obviously a left idea. changing the funding formula in the way that obama plans to has been a mantra of the reformist wing of the democratic party for 8 years.
this proposal comes directly out of his campaign platform, which positioned him firmly in the liberal-reformist education camp. no sense at all in which this is a right-wing anything.
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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> yes--federal funding for teacher training is obviously a left idea
Uh, we kidding with this? You are trying to take credit for training teachers as a liberal idea? Thats just silly.
> this proposal comes directly out of his campaign platform
He also had economic growth in his campaign platform. Does that make it a leftie idea?
Things definitely seem to be moving to the center in many respects...
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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I hear life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are lefty ideas too. Cause Obama said them.
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Response by happyrenter
almost 17 years ago
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nyc10022,
you just said that he is 'moving center' since the election. how can he be moving anywhere when these proposals come directly from his platform?
i did not say that teacher training is a lefty idea, i said that increased federal funding for teacher training is a lefty idea, which it obviously is. there is a large block in the republican party that wants to close the department of education.
what about his proposal strikes you as 'far more right' than left? the proposal is for increased federal involvement in education funding, education standards, headstart, and teacher training. this is right wing?
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Response by nyc10022
almost 17 years ago
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> this is right wing?
Are you kidding with this? You think this is left wing.
Given that most of this is the exact opposite of the positions of the teachers unions, which are part of the base of the democratic party (try getting elected without them)... not sure how you can play this as lefty.
Merit pay? The unions scream about that? Standards? Really?
" i said that increased federal funding for teacher training is a lefty idea, which it obviously is"
Huh?
Seriously, where do you get this stuff anyway? Is there a course where you get this made up information? Democratic Party Propaganda 101?
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Response by happyrenter
almost 17 years ago
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nyc10022,
have you actually read any right-wing education proposals? believe me, they do NOT include increased head start funding, or increased federal funding for teacher training. but that's not even the point. you claim that the president is 'moving' to the center. how can he be moving anywhere when he is enacting the exact education policies that he ran on?
the teachers unions are indeed 'part of the base' of the democratic party. note the word 'part.' as i explained, and you conveniently ignored, there is a major educational reformist segment of the liberal wing of the democratic party. this proposal puts the president quite firmly in that wing. there's nothing right wing about it. but the more basic point is that it was the agenda that he ran on and does not represent him 'moving' anywhere.
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this is a nice resurrection ... I would like to applaud Obama for getting stem cell research in high gear again!!! It was a good day :)
I think its Clinton, not Carter.... he keeps moving toward the center... (not a bad thing)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/obama.education/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Thats much more right than the left union stance. merit pay, testing, tying $$$ to test results. Sending nurses home, ok that is quite French, but its 4 of 5.
The EFCA is probably the big leftie thing that worried me... and he shelved it until recently, when he mentioned it at a union conference... if he holds off on that, I think we can officially say he went center after election.
lol, i don't think so. increased funding for headstart, increased funding for teacher training, nurse visits in the home, tougher national standards (aren't conservatives supposed to be for local control of education and vouchers?).
there is a major split within the liberal wing of the democratic party on education, and obama has aligned himself with the reformist wing. but it is unquestionable a left-liberal sort of a reform.
> tougher national standards (aren't conservatives supposed to be for local control of education and
> vouchers?).
Obama is just picking up where Bush left off...
"To help promote this goal, Obama said he would push for funding in the No Child Left Behind law to be more effectively tied to results"
Standards are definitely rightie (or more rightie).... the unions HATE the standards.
Teacher training? You're claiming that as a left idea?
anyone wanna give me an "S"
a "T", an "E'.....YAH for Stem Cells!
ditto.
yes--federal funding for teacher training is obviously a left idea. changing the funding formula in the way that obama plans to has been a mantra of the reformist wing of the democratic party for 8 years.
this proposal comes directly out of his campaign platform, which positioned him firmly in the liberal-reformist education camp. no sense at all in which this is a right-wing anything.
> yes--federal funding for teacher training is obviously a left idea
Uh, we kidding with this? You are trying to take credit for training teachers as a liberal idea? Thats just silly.
> this proposal comes directly out of his campaign platform
He also had economic growth in his campaign platform. Does that make it a leftie idea?
Don't be silly now...
BTW.... EFCA is dying. Yay!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123664230925077531.html
Things definitely seem to be moving to the center in many respects...
I hear life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are lefty ideas too. Cause Obama said them.
nyc10022,
you just said that he is 'moving center' since the election. how can he be moving anywhere when these proposals come directly from his platform?
i did not say that teacher training is a lefty idea, i said that increased federal funding for teacher training is a lefty idea, which it obviously is. there is a large block in the republican party that wants to close the department of education.
what about his proposal strikes you as 'far more right' than left? the proposal is for increased federal involvement in education funding, education standards, headstart, and teacher training. this is right wing?
> this is right wing?
Are you kidding with this? You think this is left wing.
Given that most of this is the exact opposite of the positions of the teachers unions, which are part of the base of the democratic party (try getting elected without them)... not sure how you can play this as lefty.
Merit pay? The unions scream about that? Standards? Really?
" i said that increased federal funding for teacher training is a lefty idea, which it obviously is"
Huh?
Seriously, where do you get this stuff anyway? Is there a course where you get this made up information? Democratic Party Propaganda 101?
nyc10022,
have you actually read any right-wing education proposals? believe me, they do NOT include increased head start funding, or increased federal funding for teacher training. but that's not even the point. you claim that the president is 'moving' to the center. how can he be moving anywhere when he is enacting the exact education policies that he ran on?
the teachers unions are indeed 'part of the base' of the democratic party. note the word 'part.' as i explained, and you conveniently ignored, there is a major educational reformist segment of the liberal wing of the democratic party. this proposal puts the president quite firmly in that wing. there's nothing right wing about it. but the more basic point is that it was the agenda that he ran on and does not represent him 'moving' anywhere.
NYC10022 proven as EddieWilson