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OK, i'm peeved. more hijinks from the realtors

Started by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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Corcoran listed a bunch of apartments today without apartment numbers.
Response by looking2return
over 17 years ago
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I thought Corcoran only listed apt. numbers if there was an open house.

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Response by kas242
over 17 years ago
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There must have been a broker seminar this week on manipulating listings. Stribling is doing the same thing. They are now labeling listings as "Two Bedroom Coop" instead of "111 East 11th Street". I think it will only do the sellers a disservice. A Stribling listing in my bldg. no longer shows up when you search by our address.

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Response by alanhart
over 17 years ago
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The seminar was called "Cutting Off Your Nose To Spite Your Face"

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Response by jason10006
over 17 years ago
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Corcoran is owned by the same firm that owns CitiHabitats, so maybe they learned the lesson that people like us will look up comps and/or listing history online here or trulia etc BEFORE calling a broker to make sure its not overpriced.

Citihabitats will sometimes not even give me CROSS STREETS unless I agree to see a place.

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Response by w67thstreet
over 17 years ago
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It's go time.... I'm heading over to the Corcoran's office with my pitchfork and a lit piece of long wood that you see in old frankenstein movies (when the whole village goes to confront an evil thing).... who's with ME?!?!!!

Evil doers! Evil Doers!

:)

plz don't call the anonymous post police.

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Response by columbiacounty
over 17 years ago
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save something for shitty habitats.

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Response by alanhart
over 17 years ago
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w67thstreet, torches. Pitchforks and torches. Plus some clubs.

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Response by w67thstreet
over 17 years ago
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alanhart... yes that english word escaped me... thx....

alrighty... I got "torches".... let's burn em at the stake of "misinformation"

YO! Columbia.... I once went into Citihabitats office downtown... and it seemed like a scene out of "boiler-room."

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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who's playing Frankenstein? maybe Sharon Baum?

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Response by columbiacounty
over 17 years ago
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had the misfortune of dealing with one of their shysters (aka brokers). actually, in retrospect, hilarious. i guess its all a numbers game for these frauds---keep the crap coming and one out of 10 goes for it.

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Response by thedeuce
over 17 years ago
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can somebody provide links to the listings? i'd like to stick this in the face of my useless corcoran broker. more importantly, shouldn’t we really do something about this? 2 thoughts - appeal to some organization like REBNY that claims to care about ethics, or when that fails, set up a streeteasy mechanism for us all to identify apartment numbers and have streeteasy update the listings with the relevant info. this pisses me off but they can’t hide from the easily ascertainable truth.

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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thedeuce, just look up new listings for the last two days. you'll find a couple of clumped groups of corcoran listings, with quite a few of them lacking apartment numbers. if they haven't been listed in the past, it wouldn't matter so much, so maybe those include the apartments.

every brokerage house will have a certain number of clients who refuse to allow their apartment number be listed. but this is unusual.

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Response by nycbrokerdax
over 17 years ago
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About ready, are you looking at new listings on the corcoran website? Most companies advertise the address but not the actual unit number unless there is an open house posted. The exception sometimes is new developments where they will just say the street name but not the number address. That does actually drive me crazy as a broker as well.
Disclaimer: I work for Corcoran but please hold off before the angry mob attacks.
The reason I actually moved to Corcoran over other large firms when I made the switch from a smaller firm was that I felt they were more in adherence with the idea of transparency, they are the only major firm that does not allow "open listings" or non exclusive listings to be posted on the website. Having said that, we do enter our own listings into the system and each individual broker is responsible for the information that you see on the website, and of course brokers come in all different shapes sizes and experience levels. An experienced broker who is in it for the long term should rely on referrals, and referrals generally come from people they have worked hard for and been honest with. I think you will see that in this market brokers who use the "fast talking" tactic and/or have mislead or gone for the quick deal, will be spectacularly unsuccessful.

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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no, the listings on StreetEasy, which usually include apartment numbers. and it's a large number of them.

people have to make a living. i've met great and awful brokers, from both big and small firms. i like my broker immensely. we meet for coffee a couple of times a year. it may just be marketing on his part, but he is honest (almost to a UD level), and very amusing, and i think he knows i wouldn't at this point use anyone else. he also is well aware of my aversion to the market at this time, and still calls to see if i want to catch up. smart man, one of these days i might get off the fence and buy, and in the meantime i've sent a few clients his way.

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Response by Otto
over 17 years ago
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It looks like all addresses are being listed at the Corcoran site, except for some new developments which are identified by name and cross street. Looks like no worries there....

http://www.corcoran.com/property/latestlistings.aspx?Region=NYC&FP=NL&SRType=S

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Response by jasonkyle
over 17 years ago
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what is with the weird 1000 apartment inventory drop

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Response by nycbrokerdax
over 17 years ago
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I think streeteasy somehow gathers the info from the Corcoran site, so perhaps there is some kind of glitch if it is showing that way on Streeteasy. Aboutready it sounds like you have a good person in your corner should you need him.

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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otto, addresses are listed, but on StreetEasy the apartment number is usually included, which is what you can use to track listing history.

jasonkyle, it is weird.

nycbrokerdax, yes, i have no complaints.

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Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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Yes, it's true. Usually the number of listings "with" and "without" address are within a few hundred. Now there are 11,244 listings not under contract, yet only 9,847 listings not under contract "with address."

More inventory manipulation!

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Response by thedeuce
over 17 years ago
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I don't see the apartment numbers for these new Corcoran listings on StreetEasy or on the Corcoran website. Am I blind?

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Response by anonymous
over 17 years ago

I used Corcoran 10 years ago to buy my place and had a great agent. I listed with them last may to sell it and that mistake cost me $ 100-150k. I can't even tell you how bad the broker was. Listed with Elliman and the 2 brokers were a dream.... I noticed the other day they have several in contract, in this market that is amazing and they deserve it!!!!
Corcoran's day has come and gone!

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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no, thedeuce, i just didn't mention the corcoran website as i usually don't use it, so i wasn't aware of how they list and the fact that the listings are pulled up automatically by SE.

midtowngal, my broker is with elliman, and, as i've written i have no complaints. but, my two or three least favorite brokers are with elliman, and i have great respect for a number of corcoran brokers.

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Response by thedeuce
over 17 years ago
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So are people upset about this or am I just misguided? Aren't we going to lose the ability to easily see transaction histories, properly do comps, etc? Isn't this an attempt by Corcoran to make this information proprietary, or at least less accessible to buyers? Doesn't this fly in the face of everything StreetEasy, and we by association, believe in? Where is the outrage? Why are we talking about whether we prefer our brokers at Corcoran or Elliman rather than their attempt to make the NYC real estate market less transparent?

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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well, thedeuce, i did start the thread. yes, i am pissed. but not surprised. this seems to have been a corcoran upper-level decision, not an individual broker decision. i just responded to nycbrokerdax re the broker issue.

look, i can't stomach the thread comments on curbed, but someone might want to bring it up there too. maybe a tip to the curbed people, they often cover our threads. with enough criticism, maybe the apartment numbers will appear.

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Response by manhattanfox
over 17 years ago
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I have heard that Corcoran has a problem with streeteasy. they don't like the info posted (claiming it is not accurate). Maybe this is all a way for Corcoran to control the market more?

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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transperancy's a bitch, ain't it? i'm certain they're quite displeased with the listing history being given. although it's a factual question that your broker should answer for you, SE makes it much easier for we independent and curious types to note trends for given properties and markets.

i'm sure they don't appreciate the abilities of our more talented commentators to dissect transactions and the market.

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Response by StF62
over 17 years ago
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Does Streeteasy care if I cancel my subscription? If this site stops providing useful info, why bother coming here at all? I know they depend on brokers for most of their money, but doesn't everyone involved ultimately depend on *us*? Obviously, brokers don't like well-informed buyers, but in this economy can they afford to alienate any buyers?

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Response by modern
over 17 years ago
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This reminds me of when Florida house prices were plummeting 2 years ago, and Naples was the hardest hit in price declines in the monthly reports from the State Board of Realtors. So what did the Naples Realtors group do? They stopped reporting their sales to the state board so there was no data to show how bad it was in Naples in future monthly reports.

Same thing with Corocoran, prices are starting to PLUMMET and they are doing their best to hide and obfuscate the size of the price drop. So their brokers can lie to the potential buyers about how bad it is (no, this unit has only been on the market only a week, better act quick!) (cheapest unit in this building!)

This borders on consumer fraud or retraint of trade or something. I wish the State AG's office would take an interest in reforming the home buying process in NYC, as it is packed full of broker lies and deception.

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Response by jasonkyle
over 17 years ago
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look, we are a savvy bunch. every time someone sees deception report it to streeteasy. SE fixes things and link up "new" listings to their actual old ones rather quickly and the matt guy who answers the emails is very nice. don't stand for this kind of bs. I have sent in an update for every link i've seen broken in chelsea. you guys and gals who know the other hoods should do the same.

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Response by modern
over 17 years ago
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Corcoran new listing page is disabled I wonder why.

http://www.corcoran.com/property/latestlistings.aspx?Region=NYC&FP=NL&SRType=S

Sorry, the page you are looking for has not been found

The page you are looking for has been deleted, or is no longer available, we sincerely apologize for the inconvenience.

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Response by patient09
over 17 years ago
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I am willing to wait this one out. I though Digs told us that it is probably a technical glitch, and being worked on. Lets give it a few days. Remember, technology is not the REBNY's partners strong suit. Nor SE's for that matter. patience

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Response by modern
over 17 years ago
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They appear to also be listing houses in the Hamptons without street addresses:

http://www.corcoran.com/property/latestlistings.aspx?Region=LI&FP=NL&SRType=S

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Response by patient09
over 17 years ago
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Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Could be Pam is on the juice. Isn't it one of the 10 signs? Becoming closed and insular, refusing to be open and honest?

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Response by aboutready
over 17 years ago
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patient, UD indicates on his site that there has been in change in the info provided, I believe. This doesn't seem coincidental. Maybe Corcoran was getting heat from sellers who don't like their info being discussed publically. But this would just slow us down. A broker will kill open house attendance if they all have to be by appointment, and if not they have to list the apartment number. And then let the sleuthing begin.

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Response by broker_ivan
over 17 years ago
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I saw that inventory of apartments has decreased and I can tell you that it is because of the sidelineers. Maybe you cant see it but you can trust me the sideliners are coming back now and buying. I have bidding wars and i can tell you prices are going up so maybe all you loosers can keep your money in your rental matress and watch evryone around you make more money, like juiceMan and Alpine222 and petrizitz.

You renters cant understand facts in front of you. You ask juiceman, theres a smart man. You know he is a dentist?

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Response by patient09
over 17 years ago
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broker_ivan: Thank you! Until now, I hadn't read anything funny all weekend, again, thank you.

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Response by HT1
over 17 years ago
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aah Ivan the terrible every post is terribe by that guy

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Response by cherrywood
over 17 years ago
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Broker_Ivan is Borat.

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Response by broker_ivan
over 17 years ago
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HT1 - oh so you are so smart. Tell me what have you bought lately?

Were you such a smart guy that you also bought a house in Las Vegas two years ago like petrizitz? I dont think you did.

Maybe you should of listened to petrizitz because he is an investor. Do you know his success? Do you know how busy he is? Why just a couple of days ago he posted for 6 hours educating all of you and THEN he had to run to an AA meeting. Can you schedule in all of that and accomplish that much? i dont think so. He said it was a "Board Meeting" but i know what that really means and I have respect for a man who can educate internet fools like you by posting his thoughts for hours, and then take care of his personal problems like a responsible person.

Maybe you should except some reponsibility in life too, like petrizizz.

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Response by patient09
over 17 years ago
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accept

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Response by crescent22
over 17 years ago
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Response by columbiacounty
over 17 years ago
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back to the OP---wonder what the deal is with all the missing corcoran listings.

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Response by jason10006
over 17 years ago
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Read the frickin postings on this thread, this has been answered multiple times.

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Response by Jerkstore
over 17 years ago
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I used to do a little but a little wouldn't do it so the little got more and more....

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