Interesting apt listing. I looked at this last year as a potentially great apt for someone (I'm not a broker). I loved the light, pleasant views, flexible layout, low monthlies, location etc. A great starter apt, imho. Against my better wishes, she passed, and it was ultimately snatched up for $650k, a seemingly good deal. Now, the exact same apt is back on the market about a mere 14 months later.... [more]
Interesting apt listing. I looked at this last year as a potentially great apt for someone (I'm not a broker). I loved the light, pleasant views, flexible layout, low monthlies, location etc. A great starter apt, imho. Against my better wishes, she passed, and it was ultimately snatched up for $650k, a seemingly good deal.
Now, the exact same apt is back on the market about a mere 14 months later. It looks as though the new owner has butchered the floorplan by reorienting a wall and consequently killing the light and flow (a fairly correctable massacre), and is now asking $850k - a $200k or 30%+ premium over last year's closing price.
Crazy? Potentially, although 6H sold earlier this year for $718k. It will be interesting to watch.
Current listing: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/542412-coop-30-fifth-avenue-greenwich-village-new-york
Prior listing: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/373078-coop-30-fifth-avenue-greenwich-village-new-york[less]
Response by kylewest
over 15 years ago
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I lived in this building, and actually know the H line very well. On the plus sides: AAA location; AAA building; AAA low maintenance; AAA light and Fifth Ave views. Compromises: h line has tiny pullman kitchens and to expand kitchen is to seriously eat into living room; weird fire door in middle of wall next to bathroom door; a true one bedroom without any particularly good way to improve upon the original pre-war layout--at least so far as I've seen in the 1/2 dozen +/- H-lines where attempts have been made. The best arrangement here, imo, is to keep a nice ample living room, deal with a cute tiny open kitchen, build a wall of storage surrounding the bedroom closet door, and keep all else essentially as is (see, http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/358739-coop-30-fifth-avenue-greenwich-village-new-york ). Purchasing in the $700,000 +/- range makes this line a fantastic one bedroom for a single person or couple who don't need a lot of privacy from one another and can live with a minimal kitchen space.
The mistake with 10H is trying to make the apt into something it isn't. So many people do this. They try to shoehorn a different apartment into the one they have. This unit does not have space for 3 rooms. Who spends over $800K for a one bedroom and has to navigate around the dining table in order to get to their clothes in the morning? You walk naked from the shower through the entire apt to the squeezed in dining room to get dressed for work? Weird. And weird don't sell apartments. Also, reducing a nicely sized livingroom to cramped little one so you can build a full size kitchen in a relatively small apartment is silliness to me.
Personally, I think this owner made a series of poor design decisions that were highly personal and the costs for which are not likely to be recovered. The owner apparently likes to cook a lot and serve meals to friends based on the cramming in of the kitchen and dining areas at the expense of all that was gracious in the original two room apartment. The result is, imo, less than the sum of its parts, and unlikely to appeal to a large segment of buyers. The lines in this building can be quirky, and apts here with alterations that add weirdness historically sit for quite a long time.
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Response by kylewest
over 15 years ago
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WTF is Prudential Elliman doing? I just saw that 4A is listing with them in addition to 10H. Coincidentally, the kitchen in both units and interior shots are identical. The firm either stole shots from one and used them for the other or mixed and matched from each. Sloppy? Cheap? Sleazy? Sneaky? You choose. Very deceptive.
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Response by buster2056
over 15 years ago
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I'm going to guess sloppiness or maybe technical glitch, although the elliman broker is the same for both units. The actual elliman site listing has no interior photos (although the Full Screen Shots are the same as 10H) and the ad states it's a gut.
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Response by ph41
over 15 years ago
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Kyle - definitely agree with you. A 13" living room, and tiny bedroom just doesn't give you that gracious prewar feel (even though it doesn't seem as if this was that large an apartment to start with).
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Response by kylewest
over 15 years ago
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It has been brought to my attention that the situation I describe above involving the photos of the two apt's at 30 Fifth may in fact be a streeteasy error. Accordingly, I wrote this to streeteasy:
Admin: please review the listings at 30 Fifth Ave. Apt. 4A and 10H both share Apt 10H's photos. If the mistake is yours, and not Elliman's or the broker's, then the thread I started is unfair and I ask you to delete it: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/21874-deception-by-prudential-elliman-broker-ellen-rick
I don't care how many walls you put up, it's still an alcove studio.
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Response by NYCMatt
over 15 years ago
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And if this agent was ever really in a LOFT, she wouldn't describe this tiny apartment as "loft-like".
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Response by eastkyle
over 15 years ago
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kylewest, 15 hours have passed. Any update, since your disparagement is still oustanding without resolution?
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Response by kylewest
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It is over 24 hours actually since I first identified the deceptive ad--created intentionally, by sloppiness, or by computer error somewhere, or some other reason--and there is no explanation or correction yet. What has changed is that additional photos were added to apt 4A's listing, so someone is clearly involved with the post but not yet deleting the misleading photos.
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Response by stevejhx
over 15 years ago
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Vastly overpriced.
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Response by buster2056
over 15 years ago
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NYCMatt - I agree, but it's a rather nice starter apartment - I prefer to the prior owner's large alcove studio layout (which was a modification of the original H-line layout) and offered a lot more light than the current also modified layout. I think this apartment is actually sufficiently large to justify a separate bedroom, however, the H line is odd in that the full bedroom is larger than the living room. The prior owner's layout resolved that pretty neatly and opened up the place. I don't know why I'm so obsessed with that listing - it's like the one that got away, albeit not from me. Anyway...
eastkyle - your posts are really unnecessary. I'm not sure why you are relentlessly attacking kylewest who provides a lot of invaluable insight on village real estate, renovations, etc. So many SE users post thoughtless rants, automatically condescending responses, or unhelpful remarks - and that's when you can actually decipher their posts. Kylewest uncharacteristically draws a hasty conclusion and creates a discussion that's marginally controversial and you can't let it go? What's your real point? What are you trying to achieve?
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Response by eastkyle
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It is over 24 hours actually since I first identified the deceptive ad--created intentionally, by sloppiness, or by computer error somewhere, or some other reason--and there is no explanation or correction yet. What has changed is that additional photos were added to apt 4A's listing, so someone is clearly involved with the post but not yet deleting the misleading photos.
kylewest, your headline doesn't leave room for sloppiness, computer error, or any other reason other than deception. Your headline exclusively concluded that deception was involved, specifically by the broker.
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I lived in this building, and actually know the H line very well. On the plus sides: AAA location; AAA building; AAA low maintenance; AAA light and Fifth Ave views. Compromises: h line has tiny pullman kitchens and to expand kitchen is to seriously eat into living room; weird fire door in middle of wall next to bathroom door; a true one bedroom without any particularly good way to improve upon the original pre-war layout--at least so far as I've seen in the 1/2 dozen +/- H-lines where attempts have been made. The best arrangement here, imo, is to keep a nice ample living room, deal with a cute tiny open kitchen, build a wall of storage surrounding the bedroom closet door, and keep all else essentially as is (see, http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/358739-coop-30-fifth-avenue-greenwich-village-new-york ). Purchasing in the $700,000 +/- range makes this line a fantastic one bedroom for a single person or couple who don't need a lot of privacy from one another and can live with a minimal kitchen space.
The mistake with 10H is trying to make the apt into something it isn't. So many people do this. They try to shoehorn a different apartment into the one they have. This unit does not have space for 3 rooms. Who spends over $800K for a one bedroom and has to navigate around the dining table in order to get to their clothes in the morning? You walk naked from the shower through the entire apt to the squeezed in dining room to get dressed for work? Weird. And weird don't sell apartments. Also, reducing a nicely sized livingroom to cramped little one so you can build a full size kitchen in a relatively small apartment is silliness to me.
Personally, I think this owner made a series of poor design decisions that were highly personal and the costs for which are not likely to be recovered. The owner apparently likes to cook a lot and serve meals to friends based on the cramming in of the kitchen and dining areas at the expense of all that was gracious in the original two room apartment. The result is, imo, less than the sum of its parts, and unlikely to appeal to a large segment of buyers. The lines in this building can be quirky, and apts here with alterations that add weirdness historically sit for quite a long time.
WTF is Prudential Elliman doing? I just saw that 4A is listing with them in addition to 10H. Coincidentally, the kitchen in both units and interior shots are identical. The firm either stole shots from one and used them for the other or mixed and matched from each. Sloppy? Cheap? Sleazy? Sneaky? You choose. Very deceptive.
I'm going to guess sloppiness or maybe technical glitch, although the elliman broker is the same for both units. The actual elliman site listing has no interior photos (although the Full Screen Shots are the same as 10H) and the ad states it's a gut.
Kyle - definitely agree with you. A 13" living room, and tiny bedroom just doesn't give you that gracious prewar feel (even though it doesn't seem as if this was that large an apartment to start with).
It has been brought to my attention that the situation I describe above involving the photos of the two apt's at 30 Fifth may in fact be a streeteasy error. Accordingly, I wrote this to streeteasy:
Admin: please review the listings at 30 Fifth Ave. Apt. 4A and 10H both share Apt 10H's photos. If the mistake is yours, and not Elliman's or the broker's, then the thread I started is unfair and I ask you to delete it: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/21874-deception-by-prudential-elliman-broker-ellen-rick
If the mistake is yours, please post an explanation on the threads discussing the situation: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/21886-kylewest-smears-somone-hes-never-met and http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/21872-sale-at-30-fifth-avenue-10h
Thank you.
I don't care how many walls you put up, it's still an alcove studio.
And if this agent was ever really in a LOFT, she wouldn't describe this tiny apartment as "loft-like".
kylewest, 15 hours have passed. Any update, since your disparagement is still oustanding without resolution?
It is over 24 hours actually since I first identified the deceptive ad--created intentionally, by sloppiness, or by computer error somewhere, or some other reason--and there is no explanation or correction yet. What has changed is that additional photos were added to apt 4A's listing, so someone is clearly involved with the post but not yet deleting the misleading photos.
Vastly overpriced.
NYCMatt - I agree, but it's a rather nice starter apartment - I prefer to the prior owner's large alcove studio layout (which was a modification of the original H-line layout) and offered a lot more light than the current also modified layout. I think this apartment is actually sufficiently large to justify a separate bedroom, however, the H line is odd in that the full bedroom is larger than the living room. The prior owner's layout resolved that pretty neatly and opened up the place. I don't know why I'm so obsessed with that listing - it's like the one that got away, albeit not from me. Anyway...
eastkyle - your posts are really unnecessary. I'm not sure why you are relentlessly attacking kylewest who provides a lot of invaluable insight on village real estate, renovations, etc. So many SE users post thoughtless rants, automatically condescending responses, or unhelpful remarks - and that's when you can actually decipher their posts. Kylewest uncharacteristically draws a hasty conclusion and creates a discussion that's marginally controversial and you can't let it go? What's your real point? What are you trying to achieve?
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It is over 24 hours actually since I first identified the deceptive ad--created intentionally, by sloppiness, or by computer error somewhere, or some other reason--and there is no explanation or correction yet. What has changed is that additional photos were added to apt 4A's listing, so someone is clearly involved with the post but not yet deleting the misleading photos.
kylewest, your headline doesn't leave room for sloppiness, computer error, or any other reason other than deception. Your headline exclusively concluded that deception was involved, specifically by the broker.