Dems Reject Same-Sex Marriage Bill

As a gay Republican, I've always thought Democrats were useless in pretty much all areas.

i say no more money, votes, volunteering-all of which we do in great numbers-until the local and national democrats make good on promises made.

Starting with our current Liar-in-Chief.

"As a gay Republican" <-- good one! You should do stand-up!!!

never was into politics so when people asked me i always answered i was "dem" just because i'm more socially aligned, most my friends are dems, and i'm a homo..

that said i am building my log cabin based on the admin's fiscal inability and general bad credit.

i'd rather be called a flaming fag, work my ass off, and get to enjoy my gay life with the by reaping what i sowed than to be "loved and accepted" and told to hand over my fruits of labor for said "acceptance"

Newsflash: the homophobic Republican administrations of the past 30 years have been spending spending spending, borrowing borrowing borrowing, and yes, even raising taxes.

So unless you're extraordinarily wealthy, you're making a bad decision on both social and fiscal fronts.

yes bush is an asshat; the sky is also blue.

but shall i choose $400 billion of pork which dilutes my dough or $1.85 trillion of spending for '09 alone. my ass hurts.

"Newsflash: the homophobic Republican administrations of the past 30 years have been spending spending spending, borrowing borrowing borrowing, and yes, even raising taxes."

So, in protest, you're voting for the idiots doing the same thing in NYC/NYS?

Sounds like a fine solution.

;-)

I don't understand what the point of being a NY Democrat is anymore. What exactly distinguishes NY Democrats from the NY Republican party anyway? Can anyone tell me seriously what either party "stands for" in NY? I have never felt less aligned with the Democratic party than I do today. And in terms of state politics, as of today I'm coming out as an Independent. I mean honestly: if the NYS Dems can't grant me the simple right to marry, what do I need them for? To weaken penal statutes? Insist on social spending with money we don't have? Bicker like sandbox infants over control of the Senate?

With today's vote in Albany, I'd like to ask everyone from Tom Duane to Eric Schneiderman to the criminal they have leading the Senate why as a gay man I should care that the Dems are in control or should stay there. Tell me what difference it makes.

i agree kyle. look guys and gals the only way to get the dems to make do on any of the promises is to cut off funds and stay home on election day. i respond to every piece of direct mail i get from the DNC and democratic candidates with a short screed on how my wallet is closed until they grow a spine. they cannot win the presidency without us, will get slaughtered in the midterms without us and many local candidates will go down the tubes as well. fine by me.

In New York...i dont think it really matters.....im gay and would vote democrat or republican if i feel the candidate is best suited for the job.....Look..I voted for Obama ...mainly because im against george bush' war on iraq and now we are sending all these troops to afganistan???? I was also against the bailout that george bush started and obama just added more to that as well..if there was no bailout...i would have been able to purchase a 1 bed for 300k by early spring of next year....instead the same corporate cronies that started this whole financial mess will be getting bonus' and im getting a paycut at my job....so it seems it doesnt make a differance....

homos...we're so gullible and the DCN played us like harps while they cash our donations at the bank.

never understood how my smart professional gay pals still follow the carrot of "social acceptance" in bobblehead fashion while skirting everything else that they worked hard for under the rug.

I seriously don't understand why The Gays would ever want to get married (it hasn't worked out very well for normal people).

But please let me take this opportunity to point out that the people posting on that topic on this thread are extraordinarily, exceptionally full of shit. This means you. NYS Dems pulled the bill because there was virtually no support pledged from NYS GOPs -- meaning the bill had less than no chance of passing if it made it out of committee. It's called governmental efficiency.

government + efficiency...ok

I for one am grateful this did not pass. Can u imagine having to have the same sex all the time. Change it up I say.

67: Post of the year!!!!!!!!

I don't care whose fault it is...its just plain f'ing embarassing that basic human rights are better protected in Iowa than in New York.

perhaps iowa is a better place to live than you think.

pah-dum-dum-pshhh

how exactly can you "change it up" it's either or. unless there is another sex yet to identified as even post/pre-op would still be identified M or F.

i know you're trying to be hip, edgy, young, and accepted in MePa w67 but you're just trying too hard and it comes off too contrived. maybe stop trying so hard to be witty and you actually might pull it off?

our governor is a complete embarrassment.

so is the legislature.

our mayor just won by paying $186 per vote.

Let's devote the next several posts on this thread to a list of NYS GOP votes that were pledged for same-sexed marriage.

You start.

Don't be bashful.

the vp of vp's: nyc matt?

I can tell you're all fighting over who gets to post first.

Okay, you in the inappropriately youthful attire, you in the front row. Go.

john lindsay?

openly labeling oneself as a democrat or republican is pretty soft. We are all independents. To voluntarily admit otherwise is kinda like..hmmm..hmmm. Especially for the gay community that seems very odd. The only hope we have is that The Federal govt and NYS are so fucked up...a string of independent, pragmatic folks might choose to run for public office, and win. Then the so called republican and democrat stranglehold on govt may be broken. Elected folks might be willing to break party ranks and vote their conscience and common sense instead of the disastrous party line.

won't happen...we sold our soul to the devil and we want to blame the devil. sounds a bit familar?

going out to drink some red and smoke a cigar...back in a bit...wheres '67 ?

ok...i'm running.

here's the platform:

we blew a lot of money foolishly. we need to stop spending and, oh by the way, we also need to raise taxes to cover that prior foolish spending.

do i have your vote?

How funny ... I was just going to post earlier today that no NYC republican has done anything beyond lip service to trim spending SINCE LINDSAY (whose attempts to reign in the unions, and to not waste money making desolate northeast Queens a plowing priority during a blizzard, were his undoings).

oh, and by the way, its all good---gays can get married. not sure why they want to but it is certainly they're right.

But the correct answer, I think, is Zero Mostel Jr. He is a NYS Republican Senator, right? Because I keep hearing about Zero in connection with GOP votes for this bill.

ok...in the spirit of bipartisanship, he can be my running mate.

Bloomberg for President!

even he couldn't afford $186 per vote for prez.

1) Legalize drugs
2) Get the state out of defining marriage altogether for straights, gays, polygamists. State only gets involved in deciding custody of children
3) Plentiful & free birth control for all

jeez...i was hoping for three votes...now, i don't know.

nyc10023 for guvner

Yo p09. Gentlemen and others. Ummmmm. I had no idea this was a coming out thread. Well if it is, so be IT. I'm hetero-sexual. I like the boobies. Damn it Jim, I'm a heterosexual with a desire for NYC re. Please just don't judge me.

Alan, the year's not over yet. Ho, have we me? I knew a HO in hs, terrible last name for a girl, almost as bad as Aslan.

I love the 'religious adherents vs. people' dichotomy spelled out in this NYT quote:

"State Senator Rubén Díaz Sr. of the Bronx made an impassioned argument against same-sex marriage, describing his continued opposition as reflecting the broad consensus that marriage should be limited to a union between a man and woman. “Not only the evangelicals, not only the Jews, not only the Muslims, not only the Catholics, but also the people oppose it,” he said."

ok...that's downright hilarious.

everyone who is a person, please stand up.

Oh yeah, and IMMEDIATELY broadcast "high" quality, high definition porn of all kinds to troubled places in the world (Middle East, Afghanistan...) and drop lots of free satellite receivers & TVs. It'll be the peaceful Revolution. Much cheaper than guns.

ok...i'll throw all my support to you.

If there was a way we could ensure that the women wouldn't be horribly exploited, I'd do an air drop of nubile young women as well. I hear they make pretty good "dolls" these days with all working orifices.

Nyc10023 for guvner!!!!!!

Ya know some women actually like sex. You do know that, right?

Can u drop the nubile Swedish nanny for me. Oh never mind, I keep hearing the Eddie Murphy 'half' skit in my head. $ trumps penis at times.

Tiger isn't really interested in his nubile Swedish nanny anymore so you can probably move right in w67th.

See tiger had same sexitus. I made him drive into a firehydrant and a tree at 2:30 am, just be careful what you wish for gay America!!

Best post exchange in SE ever. Thanks everyone!!! Specially Alan.

No discrimination when it comes to porn, whatsoever. I'd drop nubile young men or vibrators as well, but it's not the women who are causing the issues in aforementioned geographic hotspots. They seem to be keeping themselves occupied in harmless ways. Also the guys there seem to have an issue with "their" women being sexual in any way. My 5 cents. Oh yeah, and ALL demolition of pre-1940 structures have to be approved by moi.

I just got an e-mail from Joe Biden on Afghanistan. Didn't even read it, just responded that he should contact nyc10023.

change we can believe in.

I'm a homo-sexual.

I'm a Homo-sapien descendant of Homo-erectus

Homosexuals already have a right that heteros do not have: The right to not get married! How much would you pay, the next time your girlfriend is nagging you to get married, to be able to say "Gee, Honey, I'd really LOVE to marry you, but sadly I can't...it's ILLEGAL!". I'd pay $50K.

Where is Rhino to weigh in?

We already know how he feels about homosexuals being accountants. How does he feel about homosexuals being allowed to marry?

"This means you. NYS Dems pulled the bill because there was virtually no support pledged from NYS GOPs -- meaning the bill had less than no chance of passing if it made it out of committee. It's called governmental efficiency"

Its called passing the buck. The guy who spoke out and led the opposition was Ruben Diaz, Sr.

I find it quite amazing the the MAJORITY is blaming the minority for the inability to pass something.

"But please let me take this opportunity to point out that the people posting on that topic on this thread are extraordinarily, exceptionally full of shit."

Funny, that the label I'd use for anyone noting that the opposition was LED by a democrat was all the republican's fault.

10023 I LOVE your platform. You have my vote.

Other than the endless list of benefits married people get that singles don't ($250K extra capital gains exemption)...I don't understand why men, gay or straight, get married. They are by nature not monogomous. If a drop dead gorgeous Swedish nanny can't make Tiger keep it in his pants, what chance does anyone else have?

"I find it quite amazing the the MAJORITY is blaming the minority for the inability to pass something."
... the numbers are even more amazing

Dems
Yes: 24
No: 8

Republicans
Yes: ZERO
No: 30

So that's 30 GOP "no" votes to 24 Dem "yes" votes.

Pass, pass, pass the buck...

Morons are still morons even if they point at other morons.

But these Democrats are destroying the city and state, and not giving us even a hint of civil rights in doing so.

"Newsflash: the homophobic Republican administrations of the past 30 years have been spending spending spending, borrowing borrowing borrowing, and yes, even raising taxes."

So, in protest, you're voting for the idiots doing the same thing in NYC/NYS?

Sounds like a fine solution.

;-)

btw, you really think all those republicans are against same sex marriage?

Of course not.... but more important to them is to help the democrats screw themselves.

Again, the opposition was LED by a senior democrat.

Whatever happened to the progressive Repbublican tradition in NY? Lindsay was the one of, if not the worst things to happen to NYC--forget the snow, how about the crime, the filth, the school strike etc--but I have little doubt he would have supported marraige equality. Ditto Jacob Javits,probably even Nelson Rockefeller and certainly the east side's forever State Senator Roy Goodman.

Even the first iteration of Rudy Guiliani, not particulary progessive on other issues but grateful to be close firends gay couple who gave him a place to stay when Donna threw him out. Before he got President fever, decided to appeal to worst instincts of the religious right and wouldn't attend the couple's wedding.

> Whatever happened to the progressive Repbublican tradition in NY?

They're independents now.

Problem is, they helped get the dems elected, and get screwed like everyone else for it.

Lizyank: you don't understand why men get married? Simple, they don't get to play until they pay. I'm not sure how this works out for gay couples. In my marriage-less society, we would still have legally enforceable contracts between the parties.

"Lizyank: you don't understand why men get married? Simple, they don't get to play until they pay."

Are you sh*tting me? In this city? Any guy out there who can spell his own name can pull more hot tail than he can reasonably use. He can get more butts than an ashtray! The reason men get married is that they look back on 2,000 years on male-female relationships and see wives providing domestic service and sex-on-demand and think that would be pretty cool. Only that's not what marriage is anymore. It's a sexless, endless nagfest about the guy not doing his "fair share" blah blah blah. Post-feminism, post-sexual revolution, there is NO reason to get married. There is NOTHING a man can't do single that he can do married. Once upon a time, you pretty much needed to get married to have sex. That's what the marriage license effectively was - the right to have sex. They even tested you for sexual disease. Now, a guy can get sex without being married. He can pay someone $200/wk to do his housework. He can buy delicious, hot-from-the-oven meals at Wholefoods. (All of that is a LOT cheaper than being married, btw!). He can live with a woman without being married (try that in 1949!). He can have kids without being married. He can have meaningful, long-term relationships. The only thing he CAN'T do is have a 50% chance of losing everything he worked for in a rigged divorce!

Hugh_G, you're wrong. He can't wear a wedding band.

I too wish that the democrats would get some freakin BALLS! Thus why I'm an Independent. And this President should get the Academy Award for best performance on the campaign trail. Yeah granted they ALL promise you the moon during a campaign but he really, really made it seem as if he were going to be the complete opposite of Bush. Yeah right! The only different between him & George W. Bush is his skin color. He's spending us into oblivion & shipping our troops off to fight a 'war' they can't possibly win, NOTHING has changed! As for these guys in Albany not granting gays the right to marry in the state of NY, they should all be ashamed of themselves. This is 2009 for God's sake! WTF?!

"He can't wear a wedding band."

He can wear a plain gold band on the fourth finger of his left hand. That alone attracts women...

Luchias, shut up. Obama is amazing.

As a homo, and I never thought or cared about gay marriage until I was in a relationship with a very very wealthy man.

If gay marriage were legal, I would have married him and divorced and taken my half of the pie. Frankly, money is the only thing that matters to me. Love is for poor/ugly people.

Ugh, I now so upset that I can't utilize marriage and make use of the benefits. Not fair. Stupid America. Americans are so stupid, dumb and fat.

Alan, he can wear a wedding band and he can also remove it at his convinience. True story: I'm flying to Denver on business and having gotten to the airport early I was killing time with a beer and football at the closest bar to the gate. Noticed a nice looking man sitting there with a shiny gold "hands off" ring on his hand. We might have exchanged a word or two about the game. Fast forward, I get to Denver, I'm starving and room service tells me it will be an hour plus wait. So instead I go down to the bar for a burger and beer. Same man comes in, this time definitely SANS ring and proceeds to totally not so anything but subtly hit on me.

I thought that stuff only happened in urban legend and bad movies. Ugh gross. And by the way, I agree with Hugh, a single straight male in this town is as rare as a $1000 one bedrooom in a doorman building, especially over 40. The ones that are around can go all Shatner and "name their own price", which usually means a model or reasonable facsimile or a million dollar plus IB.

End of rant. Should never post before I have had two cups of coffee. I'm really past the bitter stage.

Wonderbra, very very wealthy men are generally smart enough to get prenups, so you'd have been left with nothing but the debt that you were foolish enough to take on. On the other hand, smart men and very very wealthy men are extremely unlikely to waste any time with you, so it's all a moot point, isn't it?

Hugh, Liz: which is it ... do you leave your wedding band (or Gay facsimile thereof) on when you want to hookup in the bar of a franchised hotel in a generic flyover city, because it attracts, or do you take it off because it repels? What a complicated game of Parcheesi life is.

marriage corrupts

happily married. for now.

"a nice looking man sitting there with a shiny gold "hands off" ring on his hand."

LOL. There's an old saying: Never believe what a woman SAYS, watch what she DOES. And to 90% of women, it's a "hands on" ring...

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Yo p09. Gentlemen and others. Ummmmm. I had no idea this was a coming out thread. Well if it is, so be IT. I'm hetero-sexual. I like the boobies. Damn it Jim, I'm a heterosexual with a desire for NYC re. Please just don't judge me.
Alan, the year's not over yet. Ho, have we me? I knew a HO in hs, terrible last name for a girl, almost as bad as Aslan.

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perhaps iowa is a better place to live than you think.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/03/iowa-judges-gay-marriage_n_778100.html