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Estimating tax savings on co-op maintenance fees

Started by newbie_buyer
about 15 years ago
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There is an apartment we like (a co-op unit), but it has high maintenance. My husband and I are trying to estimate how much of that will actually come out of our pockets. The maintenance is only 30% tax deductible. The listing broker told us that the maintenance is high due to high real estate taxes, and that it’s only 30% tax deductible because the underlying mortgage is practically paid off. She also said that our maintenance will end up being more than 30% tax deductible because the chunk of the maintenance fees that goes towards real estate taxes can also be deducted. Is that true? If so, how does it work? How can I estimate my monthly savings based on our tax bracket? Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Response by NWT
about 15 years ago
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She's confused. The percent deductible includes both interest on underlying mortgage and RE taxes. 30% couldn't possibly be mortgage interest alone.

The tax letter from the co-op's accountant should've gone out last month. Get a copy from the broker. That'll tell you $ per share for interest and $ per share for RE taxes. Multiply by the apartment's shares and divide by the apartment's total 2010 maintenance to get the deductible percent.

Or, get the 2009 financials and divide interest + RE taxes by maintenance income.

The deductibility of both of those may go away any year now -- Iraq and Afghanistan have to be paid for somehow -- so don't plan on them. They don't really save you much anyway.

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Response by NWT
about 15 years ago
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Let's say maintenance is $2,000 per month, is really 30% deductible, and you're not subject to AMT. If your total marginal US/NYS/NYC tax rate is 50%, then effective maintenance is $1700 per month.

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Response by NYC10007
about 15 years ago
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I gotta know, seriously, how many people paying for apartments in NYC are NOT subject to AMT??

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Response by inonada
about 15 years ago
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Newbie, in case the AMT commenting passed you by, if you are subject to AMT, the property tax deduction buys you nothing. The interest buys you 28% on federal (subject to the $1M limit, I would presume). You don't get anything for state/city on taxes, and on interest you are only helped (by another 10%) to the extent that the interest you pay puts you above the standard deduction amounts ($15K for couples).

So in NWT's example, it becomes more like $200.

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Response by bugelrex
about 15 years ago
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Watch out for Obama tax proposal announced today to limit the deductions for high earners.
Bad idea to stretch the purchase if it hinges on the tax deduction

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Response by newbuyer99
about 15 years ago
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I have the same question on AMT as NYC10007.

A couple years ago, a tax accountant told us that there are two ways to escape the AMT - make too little, or make too much. We have not (to date) escaped, ever. Has anyone made too much and thus not been subject to the AMT?

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Response by Apt_Boy
about 15 years ago
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Yes. Married NYC couple with no children and no other deductions will NOT be subject to AMT if their income is high enough, because they are already paying the max in tax, which is above the AMT limit...I know, did not have to pay for several years

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Response by gaongaon
about 15 years ago
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Depends on the mix of earned income vs cap gns, qualififed dividends. AGI doesn't have to be very high, to get hit by AMT, if you don't have earned income.

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Response by newbie_buyer
about 15 years ago
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Thank you all very for your comments, this is extremely helpful.

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