Is SE dying or is the market?

i agree but...you clearly have a minimum $500 K gain. So...wait two years and....

Hilarious, w81st. I now want to see the original!

Great job!

Windows down to the floor in main room, right?

West81, Congratulations!! Assuming the apartment is ~1600-1700 sq ft, seems like a very good price if you include $400K (Total 1.75mm for a large 2b/room) for a nice reno.

Separarely, we recently purchased and closed. This board was very helpful in my education about real estate. Bearish comments (yes that is correct), rent vs buy comps, and renovation cost estimates very invaluable. Also found Keith Burkhardt via this board. Great service and helps to get a rebate which after paying for mansion tax reduces the buying cost to -1% (no typo). The apartment (>2000 sq ft) at just over $1000 per real sq ft requires mostly redecoration rather than renovation. If I had not read about the horror stories and the stress of reno and $300 per sq ft cost on streeteasy, we may have gone for an apartment needing reno. I also ran many searches over time on streeteasy rentals to understand that there was no way we could find an apartment we liked with less than 4.5/5 per real sq ft (1500-2000 sq ft) and long term rental. Thanks streeteasy. Hope people do not destroy this with irrlevant/useless chatter.

i'm watching dan rather reports detroit public schools. what's everyone else up to?

Wow W81 that sounds great --- well, except for the accumulated junk. Did you kick in a rebate to the buyers :). Are you planning to renovate or happy as is. Sounds like you would like to see a master bath the way I desire clean skim coating. Is there a possibility of a master bath addition? Great price. Prospective clients might hold you to that ppsq standard. Have fun!

NWT: Yes - about one foot above the floor in the LR/DR and the front-facing BRs.

apt23: Happy as-is, except for those ungrounded outlets and a few other minor things. Would welcome your suggestions, especially if they can be done on a shoestring. I hope you can stop by for a peek. There are ways to do a master bath, but the trade-offs wouldn't make sense for us in terms of lost living/storage space, even if money were no object.

300_mercer: Thanks, and congratulations to you as well. I'm glad you had a good experience with Keith. I met him through Streeteasy too: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/1296-building-at-2373-broadway

That brings me back to the OP's topic: the perceived decline of this board. I think SE was home to some lively and intelligent discussion of alternative business models for RE brokerage, including Keith's rebate-based approach. As with many topics, moderate voices seem to have been drowned out by ideological extremes (e.g. "You can push the commission down to 4% just by asking" vs. "Any broker who works for less than 6% is obviously incompetent and/or desperate; would you hire a cut-rate brain surgeon?") There might have been some design behind the disruptive madness. It's clear that Streeteasy has the potential to threaten the established order in several ways. What's not clear is the degree to which the industry recognizes that threat, and whether spamming this board has been an aspect of the Empire striking back.

Personally, I think a few aggressive brokers took it upon themselves to disrupt discussion here. Although I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone, I doubt the executive suites at REBNY and Elliman take cranks like us very seriously.

so UD buys a horsefarm in CT and w81 will only buy in manhattan with a 20% discount vis a vis his clients......

all the data points w67 needs. Congrats and hope they don't outlaw strategic defaulting if you need it.

BTW, I heard of an MD at a major bank defaulting on this investment properties in miami... been collecting rents for 24 months w/o paying a single mortgage payment.... FUN times ahead. NO really FUN times ahead.

W67: Thankz - we'd rather be hypocritz than lemmingz.

haven't posted here in quite sometime but do check to see if there are any insightful discussions. they have been few and far between.

Congrats W81st, looks like you got a great deal.

No purchase yet for me. It just doesn't add up and I prefer a slow death renting but preserving capital over a fast fall which would be inevitably accompanied by a career set-back. Call me chicken or just overly conservative, I deserve it.

grats w81!

W67 is right on though, the modified "do as I say, not as I do" message from the broker types is not a good sign for Manhattan RE....

It's Street Easy, or more specifically, the contributors to Talk.

I'm a real estate junkie, I come from a real estate investor family, and I was on this board just about when it first started, years before I ever imagined becoming a real estate agent, which is what I am now.

I can still get certain questions answered here, not sure how long that will last. But I am tired of watching savvy posters get personally attacked, and I hate to post anything substantive for fear of getting flamed just for breathing, I guess. Life is hard enough, I don't need to be bullied for trying to be helpful to a stranger.

Plus there is so much vitriol toward brokers here that I just feel like, OK, if you don't want my free expertise, fine, I will share it with people who do appreciate it and who have intelligent and insightful responses. I don't consider Street Easy management to be broker friendly, either.

As I said, I'm a junkie, I want to talk real estate the way other people talk baseball. When people talk baseball, they know how to have friendly disagreements among fans. I don't see that happening here anymore, it used to.

SE gets relatively little traffic on talk, also, so they have no incentive to convert to a moderated forum. There are a lot of reasons why moderating a forum is tricky, so I don't blame them for their laissez faire approach.

so far, walter, you are smart

and fluter, if you want to see vitriol flying around, check some baseball forums

it's about the internet and anonymity--bring out my very best

Fluted
Totally on the money

Free Wbottom

idk....gray is kind of an elite status...and, for all you non-grays, us elites see all grays (including ourselves) as non-greys.. there is no gray/non-gray caste system in our world..keeps us from getting haughty about our elite grayness...and there's no annoying clicking req to see six seven's musings

also us grays can't bump, what/whyever that was arranged

i miss the giggles provided by alan each day--does he post elsewhere?

fluter, I'm a real estate junkie too -- that's why I write about it, that's why I work for someone who has been selling it for 30 years, and that's one reason I end up seeing a lot of people off this board IRL from time to time.

would love to meet you for coffee sometime if you're up for it .. I can be reached at ali [at] dgneary [dot] com.

Just please put "streeteasy" in the subject line so I can find it.

ali

>Free Wbottom

Wow, that's your best spelling all week.

I must admit, I particularly found your spelling of, what was it, Turets Syndrome?, rather amusing.

Ali's post brings up another relevant point: I think a lot of conversation that used to take place here has gone off-board. I've connected with a lot of great people through this forum; but if I want to contact them now, I tend to reach out directly, not through SE. Or, when I have a question for nyc10023, I just hang out by the yogurt at Fairway until 10023 turns up.

That's right, West81st. I am so happy for you! Congrats! Hope to see u again!

West81, it's great when offline connections are made, but if some of those discussions might benefit others on here, I say please share! As for the yogurt, 10023, have you tried Siggi's? Amazing. And worth the somewhat nutty price.

Congrats Lucy & W.81!

"DHCR rejected most of the Sponsor's main MCI rent increase application"

W81, the Sponsor has the right to appeal that rejection by filing a PAR (Petition for Administrative Review) w/in 35 days of the date the order was issued.
http://www.tenant.net/DHCR_info/Fact_Sheets/fact18.html

Was it denied because the work didn't qualify or because paperwork was missing? If it's only a paperwork prob (& the work qualifies for an MCI) & you missed the 35 day PAR deadline, Sponsor can probly refile.

agree w/ bjw: please share on the board cuz I don't eat yogurt.

Hey everyone, if ya got a NYC RE related question/statement, just post it. Fear of ridicule or sounding stupid has never stopped me. Let the trolls troll, if they must: just ignore them.

dwell: I think the last notice was a final judgment from DHCR, and subject only to judicial appeal. As for the reason the MCI was reduced so sharply, I'd say it was a combination of form and substance. Not really suitable material for a public board. We can discuss it further over a good bottle of wine.

cool, W81. This dhcr stuff is kinda my schtick. I believe you have 60 days to seek judicial review via Article 78: dhcr's denial is arbitrary, capricious & w/o rational basis in law and/or fact. http://definitions.uslegal.com/a/article-78-proceeding/

Hope they filed in NY Supreme Ct @ 60 Centre St. I say go for it, don't let the statute of limitations run out. I assume Sponsor has lawyers to do this. If not & you want to pursue this, let me know. OK, let's drink.

By the way, your place sounds awesome. And, isn't that the building where Jerry fictionally lived in in Seinfeld?

Dwell: Although I've switched teams, my heart remains with the tenants. I'm glad they won, even if it doesn't serve our financial interests.

You're close on the Seinfeld address: Jerry lived at 129.

Thanks 300Mercer, it was a pleasure working with you both!
Congrats West81st, though I already knew this (FYI: It's a lovely apartment, what it may lack in "modern" upgrades; the love that permeates from his wonderful family more than compensates.

SE may not be showing it's best face of late, but hell, it's all we really have; a great sounding board for serious, funny, witty, informative talk on NYC real estate. Like a 1980's New York night club it's best days are always limited, then you have something that just makes do, a place to shake your booty when you need too(:

Behaving yourself, acting civil on an anonymous web forum is a delicate art form, this site managed to really stay relevant and civil for a lot longer than I initially thought it would. I think that is attributed to the wonderful "lifers" on board that continue to provide us with solid information along with a good laugh on occasion.

I also don't think that the boards are overly biased against brokers, they are more biased perhaps against the status quo of the industry.It seems that StreetEasy was started out of a revolutionary spirit, to put the power of information into the hands of the consumer and help bring change to NYC real estate through information technology. As a broker, I assumed I was an "outsider" in this forum from the start. The comments of posters and the site itself helped me shape my business model and inspired me to keep going and make it successful.

I have said this before, but I think that about 80% of the people I work with are dedicated SE observers, but feel a bit intimidated by some of the banter, or as a surfer would say "localism" and remain in the shadows.

I do post less frequently these days, but I check in a few times a day. I think the board will survive and like anything will have it's ups and downs as the demographic changes. But for better or worse it's still a great place to exchange information and learn about the complex, intriguing world of NYC real estate.

Keith Burkhardt
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Keith, I think you're missing a lot of the sexism. I find posters like you and inonada can disagree with me civilly, but you're both rarities. Most of the clients I get through this board give me some form of comment like "I admire the way you stand your ground."

Leave aside the fact that I'm a real estate agent, given the fact that I've been writing about real estate for nearly ten years and have been quoted in every major local and national publication, it's just crazy that I'm as valued here for my persistence as my expertise. That is, until you reflect on the fact that this crowd derided the president of the Manhattan Association of Realtors, who has been in the industry for more than a quarter-century.

Or, to take another example, mocked a female broker for looking fat in her birthday pictures, which weren't posted anywhere near this forum.

A lot of other brokers aren't so tenacious (stubborn?) as I am, but I find that the board is much, much poorer for it.

ali r.
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I gave up on you when you accused a client or potential client of being a thief of your time for working with you and then ultimately not transacting with you. That was too much - it reflected that you knew the risks as an expert but ignored them, passed the blame on to a client who is a rare participant in the market vs you as a frequent participant, and lazily refused to modify your practices to protect yourself thereby ensuring you'd do it again ... and blame someone else again.

Hey Craz!
Enjoy the weekend

Is Craz just one of your typical misspellings?

Thank you!

Here was Ali ... overboard, where she accuses a client of being unethical and thieving her time.

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/26779-12-brokers-fee

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Clearance -- I think just about everybody, including brokers who do rentals full-time, hates the way rentals work in NYC. I hate it so much that I do very few of them; I'm basically a sales broker.

But I can guarantee that within the next six months, I'll get a few calls to do rentals that I can't turn down. The call goes like this: Some "great friend" of Trusted Client X says they need a rental broker because their time is so valuable. (This person won't be lying about that; they will certainly make six figures a year, and might make seven)

This new client will say that they understand that I have existing sales clients, but that they're in a real pickle, and they hear I take care of my network; Trusted Client X said such great things about me!

Odds are *usually* that the new client (let's call him Y) is delightful. We'll find him a rental apartment, and I'll get paid, and he'll become a referrer so I grow my network: win-win.

But there's also a high percentage chance that that new client (let's now call her Z) will then proceed to run me around for two weeks and then switch horses, and not only not pay me, she'll commit the greater crime against my business of forgetting to refer her friends to me.

From Z's point of view, she won't even feel guilty about this; to her, it's no different from comparing the prices at Sears and Best Buy and then going to whichever is cheaper.

From the broker's point of view, however, it's a theft of my time, time which could have been monetized if I had been working with more ethical clients. (and complaining to Trusted Client X about the lousy behavior of his friends is, I can tell you through painful experience ... only going to lose me Trusted Client X).

So what a sit-down is as described above, I think, it's an attempt by a rental broker to frame the contract as "you're hiring my time, so I'd like to get paid when you find something."

If you choose, as a customer, not to participate in that contract (and it sounds like you don't want to, you'd rather "pay yourself" by using your own time) that's your right.

ali r.
DG Neary Realty

spelling is correct
just sharing the love.
could not help notice your bromance with w67
end of summer love?

In my eyes Ali is correct. You do not come through a referral and break the trust/implicit agreement by shopping around or continuing to work with another broker unless you are unhappy with the result. However, if Ali were to be seeking this business actively, she should not complain.

>could not help notice your bromance with w67

Please let me know what you are talking about.

>In my eyes Ali is correct.

So 300_mercer, you are saying that Harvard-educated Ali, who is a licensed real estate professional first, and a real estate journalist second, ... living and breathing real estate ..., who knows the risks of her business and the specific risks of the situation she cited, who did nothing to mitigate this risk, who acknowledged that she'll take this risk again, ... that Ali is correct ... that Ali is the VICTIM? Poor poor Ali. Poor Ali. Taken advantage of by a novice real estate thief. Poor Ali.

Relationships, referrals, and fairness matter in my world without a legal agreement. Otherwise, the cost of doine business will increase even more. My word or indication that I want to work with someone means something. I realize that it is too much to expect others to have the same self-respect and pride.

>Relationships, referrals, and fairness matter in my world without a legal agreement.

And why is Ali operating in this case without a legal agreement?

>My word or indication that I want to work with someone means something.

Except that it actually means nothing. This is real estate. You don't have a contract unless you have a contract. YOUR cost of doing business WILL be higher, if you don't act within the well-known and documented rules, because someone else will operate within those rules and beat you out in a deal.

>I realize that it is too much to expect others to have the same self-respect and pride.

If you have pride and self-respect, would you sign a contract to work with Ali? Or would you refuse and maintain the optionality on your side? And if you refuse, how should Ali take that? And if you would sign the contract, why wouldn't Ali seek one?

"But there's also a high percentage chance that that new client (let's now call her Z) will then proceed to run me around for two weeks and then switch horses, and not only not pay me, she'll commit the greater crime against my business of forgetting to refer her friends to me. From Z's point of view, she won't even feel guilty about this; to her, it's no different from comparing the prices at Sears and Best Buy and then going to whichever is cheaper. From the broker's point of view, however, it's a theft of my time, time which could have been monetized if I had been working with more ethical clients. (and complaining to Trusted Client X about the lousy behavior of his friends is, I can tell you through painful experience ... only going to lose me Trusted Client X)."

Ali, if that is an accurate quote of you from some thread, you are way overstating your case. If the person didn't have an exclusive contract with you (which no one has any rational reason to sign), then why does you showing them a few apartments make them morally obligated to you no matter where they find an apartment?

Oh, buyerbuyer, perhaps because there was a verbal agreement, which might perhaps have some moral force?

Client A: "Hey, I was referred to you by my dear friend Z, who says you're great, and I'd like to buy an apartment in the next 6 months."

Me: "Great! That's fantastic! Let's grab coffee and I can tell you about agency {conversation about disclosure}, Fair Housing {conversation about disclosure} and the process {conversation to make sure they're not secretly working with anyone else.}

That conversation is had, and then Client A is enthusiastic. I explain that I do a boutique business, and I'll commit time and expertise, and I'm asking them to commit loyalty.

If they don't like that deal, there are other firms just down the street, but that's the deal I'm asking for. A accepts it.

Then we see our first set of apartments, and I say, "this is my favorite for you" and I explain why the building I like is superior.

Then A doesn't buy that apartment at that time. Maybe it's work stress, or maybe there's a relationship breakup in A's personal life, whatever.

Maybe we see more sets of apartments. Maybe a few months to a year go by. A and I are in touch, chatter over email, gossip about our mutual connection.

Then one day, I realize I haven't heard from A. I send a note saying, 'What's up?" and I get a note back saying, "oh, I'm closing on this great apartment!"

It is inevitably in the building I first argued for. A inevitably parrots back to me the reasons I thought that building was a superior choice in the first place.

When I say, hey, "why didn't you buy through me, I thought we had that conversation?" A will say something about hiring mom's college roommate, who is a broker, or a friend of the new girlfriend, who is a broker, or whatever.

Realize that I am not talking about a relationship where someone says "I hate full-service brokers, and I think you guys are useless, and when the time comes, I'm going to use the listing broker or a rebate broker, so don't spend any time talking to me."

I am talking about a relationship where other expectations are set up, and both parties agree to them, and then one party blows them off.

It's the worst thing about an otherwise very rewarding profession.

ali r.
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>Ali, if that is an accurate quote of you from some thread,

Of course it is, I posted it and you are me.

>you are way overstating your case. If the person didn't have an exclusive contract with you (which no one has any rational reason to sign), then why does you showing them a few apartments make them morally obligated to you no matter where they find an apartment?

Listen buyerbuyer, if you are going to be me, I appreciate you agreeing with my overall sentiment, but we (you/me) don't need some new novel theory about why Ali isn't actually a victim.

Ok, now back to check on my ebay auction for my chairs.

I bought a building lot directly from the developer twenty years ago. Three years prior to that, the broker who sold us our first house took my wife and I on a tour of the area, showing homes that we might be interested in now that we were going to need a bigger house (baby on the way). We had no contract or agreement - she was just trying to drum up some business. As we drove down the street we currently live on, she said that a sub-division was planned but the timing was not right. That was the extent of the "brokered deal". Needless to say, years later, when she saw the transaction in the town hall ledger, she called both the developer and I asking for her "commission". My allergy to RE brokers began at that time and now I need to carry an epipen whenever I go to open houses.

>Oh, buyerbuyer, perhaps because there was a verbal agreement, which might perhaps have some moral force?

Where in real estate law is the "moral force" codified? This is an industry, a body of laws, etc. that you know well, but you want to ignore it and play victim.

>Then one day, I realize I
blah blah blah

How about TODAY, you realize, you KNOW, that this is within the realm of possibilities, of reasonable expectations. Yet you'll go about business knowing full well that this is a possible outcome. But do nothing about it. Other than complain.

>'s the worst thing about an otherwise very rewarding profession.

Oh boo hoo. Your profession has risks. Get over it. That doesn't make the other person a thief, like you previously stated and which is the truly offensive part of all of this: "From the broker's point of view, however, it's a theft of my time, time which could have been monetized if I had been working with more ethical clients." Heck, even though you want to call this peson's behavior "unethical" you in the previous breath call it just price comparison, which is hardly unethical, "From Z's point of view, she won't even feel guilty about this; to her, it's no different from comparing the prices at Sears and Best Buy and then going to whichever is cheaper."

I think Ali, you've let yourself become a victim instead of a professional who understands risks and operates accordingly - this is all possibly because of all of the negative broker-talk on streeteasy, including some directed at you by apes and monkeys like w67thstreet. But in the process, you've lost perspective to the point that you can't reconcile the difference between "comparing the prices at Sears and Best Buy" and "theft of [your] time" and so you've become bitter in "an otherwise very rewarding profession."

ali, in that scenario, which is pretty extreme, you're right. I thought you meant where the client had gone off elsewhere, to an entirely different apartment. In any case, however, broker's are in a risky business in this regard, and, having seen a good friend get very stressed out about these kind of betrayals, it's probably better just to assume that every now and then you're going to waste your time, not get treated nicely, and not get worked up about it.

(hburg -- if you can sell my old chairs, i'll give you my password on here and you can take over my account)...

hburg, stop whining.

It's the lack of content in the discussion boards. Hey: let's have another "buy versus rent" flameout! No thanks, I'll sit on the sidelines. Thank you very much!

Lack of content? Where else can you find out the world is ending on a weekly basis?

front porch is not a victim, but her time was wasted and the client is a disrespectful flake for doing that to a personal referal contact of any kind. and fwiw, i'm sure trusted client x, if he is aware of the situation, is probably at least a little bit embarrassed for the friend's conduct. since he recomended a pretty high profile pro he himself obviously respects and values. oh well, what can you do. happy labor day!

"perhaps because there was a verbal agreement, which might perhaps have some moral force?"

That is what civilized people aspire to. As opposed to the breathless sorts running around town grabbing for a residence like it was a flat screen TV on sale. Additionally, in my experiance, the buyer broker gave me tons of food for thought that I had never considered asking and even reminded me of what my attorney should be checking on in the contract among other useful facts. This did not cost me any more than if I had tried to do it with a seller broker and attorney. In fact, in hindsight, it would have been a mess. As I said, in my experiance. I just don't want surprises and all went well.

Lucille, but Front Porch says her time was stolen from her. A thief took her time away. So she must be a victim.

>client is a disrespectful flake for doing that to a personal referal contact of any kind. and fwiw, i'm sure trusted client x, if he is aware of the situation, is probably at least a little bit embarrassed for the friend's conduct.

I'm all for that, personally. Certainly I would never do what this client did, and I view it as poor. But this is a known risk. Part of doing business. Call it business development. And it is something that can be mitigated by a "high profile pro" who has the experience that Ali does.

If I were Ali's boss, I'd scold her for criticizing, in any form, any type of paying client in public, with Ali's real name. But this criticism went to the extent of calling the client a thief. That's untrue and uncalled for.

[Also I noticed that the recent example went from a rental example to a purchase example.]

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hburg, stop whining.

I wish bjw were the only person with whom I disagreed. Posting here would be so easy if my only adversary was the biggest wimp on streeteasy.

I'm an occasional poster and check the board daily for commentary of interest. Others have said this before in different ways, but the reason activity is down is just better self-selection. It doesn't take long to identify the posters of substance so I skip threads, scroll over or "ignore" commentators more interested in mixing it up. I would guess that discernment is familiar to other lurkers.

Congrats West81st on what appears a good value buy!

Bill,
Excellent point on the broker.
I can't imagine cutting some special deal where the buyer uses the sellers broker and a lawyer and saves a penny.
Is there a deal out there like that?
I'd do that for a 2% rebate on the deal.
It's my money anyway.
So, might as well consider the options.

I see board coming back to life!

>It's my money anyway.

Falcogold, am I right, you are the 5th guy here?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX0fIi3H-es

it looks like you're getting worse.

falco, condolences from columbiacounty

seriously, is there anyone you can turn to?

I already tried all of these numbers:

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=columbia+county%2C+new+york%2C+mental+health&

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Neuropsychological Rehab Services - Place page
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do you have any idea how out of control you are?

Why, because I'm not all Dr. Doom Gloom and Misery of Columbia County, New York?

hell no.

you try way too hard.

I try too hard to be out of control?

hi guys!!! how is everyone's weekend going?

Good thanks.

I'm trying to decipher one of aboutready's mysteries, not put onto columbiacounty. She used to say I was amusing, but boring.
Columbiacounty says I'm out of control, but I try too hard.
Figure that out Lucille ...

not -> now

you're making my point.

"Figure that out Lucille"

i can do that if you do something for me

name it

using the multiple user names to talk to yourself is not a good sign. really not a good sign.

you have a major problem. you should seek assistance in the real world.

Coming from a guy who freaked out because he saw an apartment with a window in the shower, that means a lot. At least when aboutready would tell me to seek assistance, we all knew that she had been through it before herself. Unless, you aren't telling us something... ?

good luck. you're gonna need it.

Thank you

ok, it's up to you. as long as you know.

Yes, yes, it will be out before Tuesday 6am.

it doesn't have to be. but it would be nice if it was. maybe you can get the girl from last time to do it.

I think we are talking about different things now.

*snort*

what is wrong with you!!!

Maybe you and columbiacounty's therapist can diagnose me.

that was really a rhetorical question. i mean, i KNOW what's wrong with you.

Yes, yes you do.

whatever. it's up to you. just puting it out there.

Looks like maybe the fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

Mimi, walter, lecker, angler, et. al.: Many thanks.

huntersburg, i don't want you to do the thing anymore. it's better to leave it alone.

lucille isn't there a morris county real estate board you can haunt?

nope

start one up then. you.are full of enough bullshit to keep it going awhile.

will you participate?

i dont plan on moving to morris county so no. since you dont live here i think you should. it will pass the time till hubby makes it home.

but you also don't plan on selling or renting any real estate, so i think you, too, should probably find other ways to occupy yourself.

lucillebluth
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report abuse but you also don't plan on selling or renting any real estate, so i think you, too, should probably find other ways to occupy yourself.

huh? what amazes me is how much you post in the evening. do you pay no attention to your husband whatsoever? I'm not talking about a post here and there, you are absolutely prolific nearly anytime of day. what gives?

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huntersburg, i don't want you to do the thing anymore. it's better to leave it alone.

ok, well it's only partially done. Easy to undo.

you people cannot be serious. how was that offensive!

Did they get rid of the one about hammering out the details?

jim hones says horrible things! why can't i respond to his comment about my marriage with a reference to my sex life with my own husband? or was it the word "lesbian"? because that's not a bad word either you f*cking pansies.

oh no sh8t! they did! how in the world was THAT offenssive?

just kidding. i know why that got deleted. veeerry interesting. quite a conspiracy theory!

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Maybe a little of both(response to the original post)
There's very little new ground to cover and the economic situation is less and less favorable which translates into excitement toward real estate

lucille, it was one of the better SE lines. Say it again with bleeps. I think it was "I feed him, I f*ck him, I listen to him whine a little. What more do you want? He's a grown man, not a baby."