Precise map of Sandy flooding

A map from 10006, where Jason doesn't even live (what a fraud), to the first listing in Google Maps for "Jason San Francisco" gets you: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=New+York,+NY+10006&daddr=Jason+Richard+Hairstylist,+257+Grant+Avenue,+San+Francisco,+CA+94108&hl=en&sll=37.807207,-122.422199&sspn=0.069576,0.139904&geocode=Ff0QbQIdStGW-ymD6IK4EFrCiTGucyyXJi2HnQ%3BFWufQAIddD60-CGt8kb787gNjSkFhcAUiYCFgDGt8kb787gNjQ&oq=10006&mra=ls&t=m&z=4

huntersburg:
Oz Moving and Storage has been hiding a BIG secret:

Their "Storage facilities" are actually dumps that are not, as they claimed:
"Flood-proof and protected storage".
There seem to be many secrets with Oz, from the owner, Avi OZ
and the Chairman of the Board: Eran Sobol.

I lost many belongings in the flood of their "protected, flood-proof" storage facility in Hillside, N.J.
Oz did nothing to take precautions before the hurricane, that was on track to hit landfall in N.J., where they stored my belongings.

They did not even bother to contact me to give me the option of going there to pick-up my belongings
(not furniture: boxes of irreplacable signed books, concert posters, music-interview tapes. The clothing and shoes/boots are the least of it, they can be replaced.)

They knew at least the Wed. before the hurricane, that it was headed that way.
I would have gone there and saved my belongings if they had only been truthful about the fact that they did not intend to do anything as a precautionary measure.

What's the story with OZ? Please let me know what you dig-up.
Thanks.

Not sure why you had trust in them to begin with. It's a plain old storage company for the masses with limited skin in the game. Heck, you can't even trust Switzerland, but at least go with these guys: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/business/swiss-freeports-are-home-for-a-growing-treasury-of-art.html?pagewanted=all .
Or just sell the crap - signed books should go to auction and use the cash.

huntersburg:

I wanted to keep those belongings, not sell them.
Those were belongings I've had for decades.
I was only storing with them for a short time, was planning on having storage belongings
delivered to me next week when I have shelving units/ empty wall space/ armoires, to keep it all in my apartment.
If I wanted to put them up for auction I would have done so.

I trusted in, and paid for what they assured me, it was bullshit --
that's the point.

I had to go to their "storage facility" in Harlem, on East 126th Street and sit on a metal folding-chair for
3 1/2 hours in an unheated building, which was nothing more than a four-storey tenement building with gated doors and windows.
They moved the storage there only after it had been destroyed in the hurricane flood.
There I sat as they emptied the boxes in front of me.
Most boxes were so wet, the boxes just fell apart.

My point remains, as above:
Does anybody know anything more about OZ Moving and Storage?

What are the names of the people who own Oz?

The guy I listed above: Avi Oz. (not that they gave his name up to me)
They only gave me the name of "the President of the company: Eran Sobol.(he's actually "Chairman of The Board".
Looks like a shady group.

In any case:
People should be aware and not use Oz Moving And Storage.
Their storage "facilities" are just dumpy buildings.

If Oz had been truthful, instead of bullshitting about their "Protected flood-proof storage facilities":
I would have stored the belongings in a real Manhattan storage facility.

My friend Marc works with Phil Lesh and The Dead.
He sold his apt. a few months after I sold mine. He has so many collections of posters and those sort
of belongings. He stores them at Manhattan Mini Storage. All is good, nothing got damaged.

why would they be truthful? Haven't you been around long enough to know better? Haven't you even been around SE long enough with fraudsters like cc, and dishonest everyday businessmen like w67 to know better?

So Truth - why didn't you use Manhattan Storage?

Do not think this accurate unless the measurement standards are flooding from the basement level in selected buildings. I do not believe there was any flooding whatsoever in Soho close to West Broadway. This link shows flooding.

I don't think so either, 300_mercer.
I know people with offices on West Broadway.
Those buildings weren't flooded.
They couldn't get to work but it appears that the electricity remained on.
The ice-cream in the fridges never melted.

Power was out all downtown below 23rd street except for most of battery park.

Their ice-cream must have re-frozen when the power came back on.
It wasn't lost due to flooding in the building, they came back a few days later and had elevator service and heat.

Whenever the power came back on,when they returned the building was functional.

BTW, we call that "The Ice-Cream-Indicator".
Ben from Ben&Jerry's can tell how long the power has been out by checking the condition of the ice-cream.
He knows how long it takes for ice-cream to melt, refreeze and all of that.

They put stickers on the ice-cream that says: "Hurricane Ice Cream".
They're keeping it in the office fridge/freezers.

Basement flooding on Spring & West Broadway, not indicated on map: http://ny.eater.com/archives/2012/11/hurricane_sandy_permanently_shutters_boom_in_soho.php

That red-building area around Grand/Thompson/West Broadway apparently floods all the time. Here's a story from 2004: http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_70/sohogetslostintheflood.html

Power was out below 31st on the west side and 39th on the east side. I could see the line from my office window on 32nd, except for Penn South. That has its own co-generator for power.

I'm gonna say I believe the NYT over random SE posters

NWT: Boom finally went Bust.

Their basement had some flooding during regular storms.
It must have been a mess after the hurricane.

The map surprised me. More square footage was affected in Brooklyn and Queens by far than in Manhattan. Manhattan looks not much worse hit than the Bronx in this map. Not so sure this means businesses will exodus Lower Manhattan, but for sure they won't be building back offices in the Rockaways or Coney Island anytime soon.

Businesses in non-office buildings are going to have a hard time unless it's a location of a chain retail.
Small restaurants are costly to run as it is, even though they mark-up everything.

Truth,
If you stored your valuables with OZ and their adverts and your signed contract states that the the facility is "flood" proof then it's time to lawyer up and collect against damages. There IS such a thing as flood proof. An example is Tupperware. I don't know anything about OZ moving but something tells me you better get your sneakers on because your about to get the run around.

How True, falcogold. How True!

If you look on their website they make a big deal about the security of the dump they provide for storage facility.

The estimator saw the items that I was intending to store with them.
Those include books, which were packed by Oz Movers.
So was the artwork.

Their website doesn't say:
Hey, DON'T ALLOW US TO PACK YOUR BOOKS AND ARTWORK.
WE WON'T CARE IF WE DOOM THEM TO BE DROWNED BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE ENOUGH TO INFORM YOU THAT THEY WON'T SURVIVE THE UPCOMING HURRICANE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY HEADED FOR LANDFALL
IN NEW JERSEY!"

And, yes "flood-proof" means they do not store on the first floor.
They also store off-the-floor.

Their "Storage facilities" are just dumpy buildings.

I may hit them with a Press release.

Meanwhile:
Everyone reading this is for-warned.
Don't use Oz Moving and Storage.

The VP of Sales is "Nimrod Sheinberg".
"NIMROD"?!
He's a credit only to his name.

You know that Bugs Bunny coined that name: "Nimrod".
Bugs called Elmer Fudd a "Nimrod".
Bugs was not complimenting Elmer Fudd.

jason10006
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I'm gonna say I believe the NYT over random SE posters

Typical liberal Californian, believes the New York Times over real New Yorkers.

I used to live in Fidi, and my old building and every single one near it are closed for weeks to come. My company's downtown office is closed for at least two more MONTHS. We won't likely be renewing that lease. Etc.

This is why I think its insane when people say this won't affect RE prices.

"You know that Bugs Bunny coined that name: "Nimrod". "

I always wondered why 'nimrod' was an insult when I was a kid even though the original Nimrod was an admirable figure. Live and learn!

Nimrod is the grandson of Ham [insert actor joke here], preceding Bugs Bunny by quite a few years. He ruled over Babel ... making him an appropriate citation here by one.

Sounds like a maroon. :)

I think some of the confusion about this map has to do with underground flooding - in steam tunnels and subway lines, for example. Some of this ended up in buildings themselves, but might not have been visible on the street level. In other cases, the flooding was fleeting - so on first avenue from 95th up, it was for maybe a half an hour. Blink and you missed it. But flooding happened everywhere on that map.

>Power was out below 31st on the west side and 39th on the east side.
>I could see the line from my office window on 32nd, except for Penn
>South. That has its own co-generator for power.

Not quite -- friends of mine on West 30th weren't affected by Sandy. Or at least their building never lost power.

No, ENDLESS news reports on many sites and TV channels and the mayor's office said power was off intermittently below 39th. You may have had friends in an odd building not so affected, but its a fact that that is where the power grid changed.

>Not quite -- friends of mine on West 30th weren't affected by Sandy. Or at least their building never lost power.

Yeah it was more @ 28th st on the westside. Closer to the river may have made it a few blocks north (like 31st), closer to fifth ave and the cutoff a few more blocks south (like 28th st).
The exception were those buildings right next door to the projects. They look like project buildings but I was told they are not, between 8th and 9th aves around 24th/25th st. They appeared to have their own generators.
What avenue your discussing does/did make a difference.

North of 30th on the westside, about 99% had power. I know because I walked there every day to find respite in civilization.

It was out at 37th on the west side at some of the new developments.

Don't go into a bubble of unreality - here are pics from a few weeks ago clearly showing west side power out above 34th.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/31/1351686243957/4a340745-2f4c-4190-a7a3-9331023887ff-460.jpeg

For sure up to 39th on the east side.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121029/new-york-city/coned-mulls-power-shutdown-lower-manhattan-as-hurricane-sandy-arrives

Manhattan view from the east.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/30/1351590771999/409ba951-51c2-4e26-b8a7-c4944fd4de4b-460.jpeg

Another from the west side:

http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/user-1517/155022964.jpg

Clearly, power out above 34th on BOTH sides.

LOL bubble of unreality? I live a few blocks away and spent every night on my roof deck.
I walked every day for hot food and a charge.
Did I imagine having cocktails at the Blarney Stone on the 30th and 8th?

The north of 30th shortages on the westside had to be west of 9th ave.

Don't be a maroon.

Con Ed map of power outages from then: out on both east and west side:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/power-outage-map-new-york_n_2067535.html

Clear as daylight picture of blackout in the west 30s:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/508fa83beab8ea6a76000024-900/this-photo-taken-tuesday-oct-30-2012-shows-what-appear-to-be-transformers-exploding-after-much-of-lower-manhattan-lost-power.jpg

Don't be a maroon and for sure don't be a Nimrod.

Trip: That's where the coinage as an insult started, with Bugs.

You could listen to that drunk above ( around 11 comments ago )
babble all day and night here on se, if you like to read that sort of thing.
I wasn't talking to him, nor about him.
He wants to try to insult me and he has nothing better to do.

truthskr10, those buildings that look like projects (but with balconies) are Penn South, a middle-income limited-equity coop (similar to a Mitchell-Lama Coop). They -- and also Millenium Tower in BPC and much of NYU as well -- generate their own electricity from natural gas on a year-round basis, and use the waste heat for their hot water (co-generation):

http://cooperator.com/articles/1685/1/Leading-More-Buildings-to-Co-Generate/Page1.html

Penn South stayed powered during the blackouts of the past decade or two. I wonder if they've had their own private blackouts at any other point during that time.

That last pic also shows a west side transformer exploding.

Truthskr is correct. Ace hotel on 29 th and broadway, nomad hotel area all had power. On broadway, the cut off was 24th or 25th street.

Thank you 300mercer, Im not insane.
The point is it wasnt a straight shot across a parallel cross street. More like a tetris block shape. 7th ave the traffic lights were all working from @ 26th st and north. 8th ave, like I said around 28th. All stores were powered with the exception of Jimmy's barbeque(8th ave and 3oth or 31st) and a block of 4 five stores east and south of him.

That transformer going out pic only confirms also what I said, west of 9th ave. I was on my roof when that transformer blew. I thought it was rapid succession lightning or something and ran back inside. It was both beautiful and scary. Happened around 9:30 pm.

>Typical liberal Californian, believes the New York Times over real New Yorkers.
I have no confidence on NY Times being a source of anything for many obvious reasons as well. But they are not even the source anyway.
"Sources: Flood areas and levels from the Federal Emergency Management Agency; Andrew A. Beveridge, socialexplorer.com; building shapes"
And I don't have any reason myself to to doubt the map but to clarify, the source is; Mr. Andrew Beveridge using his program, socialexplorer sourcing data from FEMA.

Thanks Ahart, that is the one.

>This is why I think its insane when people say this won't affect RE prices.
Jason here you have a thread with someone contemplating buying and rebuilding already while your office isnt even dry yet.
http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/33226-pricing-a-raw-space
I'm not reading much apprehension about the next flood.

We will see.

It is interesting that not all of BPC flooded.
Wonder if there is any update perhaps from the DOB on buildings that required significant remediation and/or are still not permitted for occupancy - office as well as residential.

"Hurricane? What hurricane? Despite the damages that Sandy visited upon Downtown in late October, the commercial real estate market fared relatively well. In the fourth quarter of 2012, commercial leasing Downtown reached 1.2 million square feet — a 9 percent increase from the fourth quarter of 2011, according to CBRE"

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/01/15/sandy-didnt-kill-the-downtown-leasing-market-report-says/

Considering that over 20% of the SF was a STATE agency, and that excluding that it was down by more than 10% YOY, it remains to be seen what long-term impact this will have. The average PRICING for renewals and new leases for existing I am 100% certain was down YOY - I know this because my company has offices down there and this is what the commercial brokers are all telling us. I mean like CRAZY concessions.

What's interesting, for example, is that renting in Fidi - say 200 Water Street for example, is currently about 10-20% CHEAPER than renting in Central or East Harlem, on a PSF basis. My guess is the thousands of standed frat bros living downtown filled up Harlem - so now they are almost no vacanies on SE up there (and a LOT more "bros" in my neighborhood.) Menawhile, a quick SE search of 3k-5k apts in doorman buildings shows way more available, and at much cheaper than Harlem prices, in Fidi.

Since I looked in both places post 9-11, trust me, Harlem was STILL cheaper than Fidi back in early 2002. Like for like. This is very strange indeed.

I wonder why Jason provided no actual examples.

I just hope those "bros" keep safety in mind when they're in Harlem. If those people can find taxis willing to go up there, they ought really to take them.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2013/06/map_fema_study_shows_flood_hazard_areas_may_increase_45_percent_by_2100.html

jason:
In case of an actual emergency: Use your helmet as a floatation-device.

(Jason claims that he doesn't read my comments, so he won't know what to do in case of an emergency.)

Jason's nurse will help him.

Does he have a wet-nurse?
"Please remove your helmet, jason..."

The NYT map underestimates the damage in areas that I experienced first hand, day after gloomy day.

There was a lot of what I would call major damage in Oceanside, which is not on the map as a major damage area. For example the Trader Joe's on Long Beach Road was closed until about March, my sources told me there was 4 feet of sewage water in the store.

We lived in Long Beach NY for 12 years. Sold in April for the full asking price, very close to my pre-Sandy expectations. Renting in high and dry Brooklyn now.

Lots of buyers in denial. Because it's paradise until it floods.

What are you rambling on about now, trUth? Your stream-of-unconsciousness blathering tangents seem more and more to have absolutely no point of contact with reality or even the most basic context within the thread.

^^another alkie comment posted by trollalanhart, within a minute of my comment being posted.^^
It's now 11:38 EST, Sunday 6/16/13 and this se discussion is the only place available for that trollalanhart .

Google the brand new floodmap. The old one missed areas that got flooded.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/06/new-york-rebuilds-flood-map

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/opinion/sunday/city-of-water.html?hp&_r=0

Does not take into account Sandy: http://gothamist.com/2013/10/30/interactive_map_where_is_the_afford.php

riversider rides.

C0C0, did Sandy get up to C0lumbia C0unty?