Bathroom without toilets

In lots of other countries it is, or used to be, standard to have the toilet and tub in different rooms. I think it was because early 19th-century toilet designs were imperfect in their drainage and sewer-gas exclusion, so it was thought best to not have it in a room where you'd be spending time.

Some not in the house at all. Outhouse

NWT, the explanation you give is more why it is possible to not separate them nowadays vs before. But for a kids bathroom, they don't really need their own toilets, but they might be happy that every stranger doesn't visit their bathroom... So I still don't understand why powder room and secondary bathroom without toilets is not more common combination.

It's not the custom here.

I know of one architect who liked that layout, or rather one who convinced some clients it was worth the additional expense. He did http://nyre.cul.columbia.edu/projects/view/16805#images and a couple others on the UES that I can't find.

Meant to say, a couple of others with that bath/toilet layout. He did lots of apartment buildings and hotels (e.g. the Pierre) with the U.S.-standard layout.

That arrangement is common in UK housing projects.

Other split-bath layouts by Schultze are at http://streeteasy.com/nyc/building/15-east-91-street-manhattan

Not quite what the TheTourist has in mind, though, as in those two buildings it's the master suite that gets a toilet and sink in one compartment and a tub and sink in another, both usually off a large dressing room.

Except in duplexes, there're no non-ensuite half baths for guest use, so either the kids or the parents have to have all and sundry using their pots. I can't imagine it bothering them much.

I feel the shower/bathroom part is more personal (your medication, your perfume, your toothbrush, your make up, your..) than the toilets but as a kid or as a guest staying overnight, I would not mind sharing my toilets, but I would prefer that this de facto public room is not my shower/bath. I guess it takes a bit more room than just one bathroom with everything but it is so much nicer (for everybody) in my opinion.

This is a common thing in California Victorian houses, even modernized ones. A bathroom seperate from the WC. However, it's simply cheaper and easier from a plumbing POV to have them combined.

Obviously it is a setup that does not seem awful to anybody and there is no real reason for it not to be more common apart that it is cheaper (which does not explain its rarity in high end properties). It makes so much sense to me, I predict that it will become more common

One thing I really love in Europe that I never see here, floor drains for the bathroom floor.
It makes mopping so much easier, maybe we are protecting some local bucket manufacturer.

>I predict that it will become more common

Of course you do, because you don't know New York.

>greensdale

3790 posts in 9 months I didn't see !! You must spend like 4 hours a day on this, no doubt you are kind of crazy. Do you have friends or a girlfriend ? Just go out and relax, you will see, life is not that bad.

how do you figure 4 hrs?

I figure closer to 20.

And that's not counting the hb posts.

Or hsf

Or riversider

TheTourist: I think what you refer to is called a "water-closet". (A toilet bowl and sink.)
A fancy water-closet is called a "powder-room".

The floor drains in the floor of bathrooms in small apartments in Europe are usually there because the tiny shower stall/toilet/maybe a sink can be hosed-down (with the shower's faucet hose or a hose that is screwed onto the sink and then the dirty cleaning water just goes down the drain.)
It's very efficient and no buckets or mops are needed.
In the USA, porta-potty designers design their systems in the same way with a drain installed in the floor.

Correct, the "WC".

>Truth

Yes, it is a powder room, and this is common, but my interest lied more into why we don't we more the combination of (bathrooms without toilets + powder room) in place of a full bath that also serves as a guest bathroom (it doesn't take more room).

Hi TheTourist. I thought you had me on ignore.

Hi greensdale. Well, you are so much everywhere, you are hard to ignore. But honestly, this is a real estate website, not Facebook, not Second life. You don't get points for posting unrelated things to the discussions that only your five virtual friends -yes you can count me in them- read and answer to. You don't get points either for insulting people, most of the time out of blue, without any justification or reason or common sense. You just freely insult and don't justify anything you write. I can also write below each of your posts: "Greensdale, go write your stupid white trash posts some place else, everybody knows you can't know NY as you write 13 posts a day from your cave". But would that be fun ?

Yesterday you had me on ignore, today I'm "white trash"?

TheTourist: It's because us Americans like to do our toilet business and then flush and wash our hands.
If there is a master bath, we want to use it for ourselves while our guests use the guest toilet.
Maybe there's a small stall shower in there for overnight guests to use.

We Americans like to keep our rubber duckys to ourselves.

>greensdale

I wrote that I could write that below each of your post if I were behaving like you, and asked if that would be fun.

>truth

As I wrote in the first post, this setup would add a secondary sink to the toilets, so you can still wash your hands... I don't think most people need to take a shower or a bath after they use the toilets, so it s not an hygiene thing either. It s just a setup.

It's like the last song on "OK Computer".

Really, what I said about Americans and our master bathrooms (if we have one):
That's where we let it all hang out. Rubber duckys, medicine cabinets filled with toiletries that we don't want guests to use.

"2+2=5"

>Truth

Imagine a 2BR, 2 baths.
-1 bath is the master bath, we don t touch it, that answers your concerns
-the second bath is commonly also used as the toilet for the guests. My question was: why don't you make two rooms out of it with two doors: 1 small powder room (toilet + small sink) and 1 small bathroom (without toilet, just shower and sink). That would make the powder room nicer to use (you don't feel like invading on somebody s privacy when using them as a guest and you don't have strangers coming into your bathroom if you are the resident of the second bed).

ThePermanentResident, well behaved Americans wash their hands after using the toilet.

O.K., that would work for me.
As long as I can listen to the soundtrack of "Stealing Beauty" while in the shower. (and while driving on the road):
You like Portishead? Liz Phair?:

"Rocketboy, Rocketboy
when are you gonna land...?"

>greensdale

Are would be real New Yorkers able to read ? (see the first post of this thread)

Never mind the greensdale. He's busy with the phony altruist housewife on another discussion thread.
He's getting close to being 15 or 16-years-old now and he wants to be adopted.
He's not an African American orphan and he already has a mother but if he's "homeless" and can get his foot in her door he's going to receive the proper care from her.

You can't be a "would be" "real New Yorker".

But you can "be a would be" "real adoptee".

You clearly wish you were a real New Yorker. You are a would-be real New Yorker.

No, he just wants to be adopted by a fake altruistic New Yorker.
There's big money in his future there.

It's been nice.
I'm driving down to Sitges and then on to Vilanova i la Geltra for a week of friends and fun.
Ready to listen to some Radiohead and the Stealing Beauty soundtrack, on the way.

The fake altruistic housewife can Go greensdale, and leave the driving to him.
Adios!

Tourist, just put truth and green on ignore.

Look at all the rioting in California where Jason is from.

Nobody cares where your imaginary travels are taking you, "truth." Or whether your breadsticks resemble gaudi architectural elements. Although I will forever grateful for the laughter the latter brought forth.

"I was trying to figure out why the bathrooms seem to always contain toilets. "

i never question that before

ThePermanentResident is a foreigner and doesn't maintain normal modern American toileting values.

Wow, you have something new to obsess about. Yawn.

Aboutready, have you ever been a guest of C0lumbiaC0unty? When you used his 0uthouse, did you put toilet paper on the big open hole? Did you use Wash'nDry?

how do you handle that shit in huntersgreendalestein?