Open House Reports 8/4/08
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Visited two showings this evening. All quiet on the (Upper) Western front. 65 Central Par West #3D $2,585,000 + 2% flip by buyer; mt. $2728 Coop, 2 beds 2 baths; No sq.ft. stated Traffic: I was the fourth visitor, near the end of the open house. On paper, the attraction of this listing is direct park views from the living room and bedrooms, In person, the views are a bit of a letdown: mostly,... [more]
Visited two showings this evening. All quiet on the (Upper) Western front. 65 Central Par West #3D ↓ $2,585,000 + 2% flip by buyer; mt. $2728 Coop, 2 beds 2 baths; No sq.ft. stated Traffic: I was the fourth visitor, near the end of the open house. On paper, the attraction of this listing is direct park views from the living room and bedrooms, In person, the views are a bit of a letdown: mostly, traffic on CPW and the 66th Street transverse and a peek into the parking lot of Tavern on the Green. Still, as parking lots go, it's a nice one The lights must be pretty at night. The decor and fixtures are Vegas French Provincial from the early 70s. That's easy to fix. While you're ripping out the mirrors and carpeting, you may want to reconfigure some walls too: the floorplan converts nicely to 3BR if you're willing to sacrifice the formal dining room. I think the entertaining space would still be quite ample. A closet or two might have to go in order to open the place up properly, along with some built-ins. Oddly, the second bathroom has no toilet. The waste line is accessible, so that's an easy problem to solve. In short, bring your imagination and your architect. But don't let your imagination get the better of you. The building is nothing special, and the third floor is the third floor. In the end, your $3MM+ total investment may leave you wondering why you paid up for a view that is Central Park in name only. The big combination unit next door was on the market for over a year. It finally sold for 25% below the original ask - and that was at the top of the market. For the right price, #3D would be interesting. I just don't think that price is $2.6MM. Maybe six months ago - in fact, one deal on this apartment has fallen through - but not now. ************ 302 West 86th Street #11A ↓ $1,650,000; mt. $2098 Coop, 2 beds 2 baths + maids; No sq.ft. stated Traffic: I was the third visitor, at the end of the open house. Lippman and Moore clearly didn't expect many customers; they let a junior associate cover this one. This is a pretty Edwardian 5 in estate condition with high ceilings and large rooms. The living room and master BR (formerly the DR) face 86th Street. Although it's a northern exposure, the light seems pretty good. The secondary rooms will soon be engulfed by the shadow of 535 WEA. I guess if you're going to look at a wall, it might well be a $20MM wall. There's a lot of nice detail here, including a gas fireplace with a handsome mantle which is the first thing visitorss will see as they enter. Impressive. The kitchen is mostly a wreck. It does some nice old oak cabinets; unfortunately, they hang from a wall that should probably be taken down to open the kitchen to the cramped dining area, but it would probably be feasible to move the oak cabinets and discard the peeling 1970s formica stuff on the opposite wall. In lieu of closets, each bedroom has a wall of floor-to ceiling built-ins that look too shallow for a suit or dress. I'm not sure what the best solution there would be. Once the work is done, the buyers will have a $2MM home next to a construction site. Ultimately, a location next door to the priciest building above West 79th will be a great thing (aside from the loss of light at the rear of the apartment). For the next two years or so, it will be a nightmare. [less]
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I just love your reviews! You are like the restaurant critic of open houses. Someone should be paying you for this. I would definitely subscribe. Thanks!
Agreed- West, you truly do contribute positively to this board. I for one always read your open house reports. Keep up the good word.
I third that comment!
i look fwd to west81st reviews evey week. thank you
Thanks, all. My pleasure.
By the way, one of the brokers on the site (barskaya, I think) recently pointed out that summer open houses are often aimed less at selling apartments and more at showing the seller that the broker is trying. That might be especially true this year, with a lot of listings growing stale and brokers worrying that their exclusives will expire.
"Vegas French Provincial" - possibly some of the best real estate writing ever.
I agree - it is the style with which every detail is delivered which makes it all enjoyable to read. I don't think these reviews sell many of the apts, though ;)
West 81st....if were going to buy an apartment and were looking for best value...would you buy 65 CPW #3D for $2.5MM or 15 West 84th 2A(from a previous open house report)for $2.5MM?
I am in that range and want to buy something in the next month or so....any others out there you would reccomend seeing.....I am looking for a 3 bedroom between 65th and 86th on a Park Block
Do you see this market dropping further in price or staying flat as inventory still seems to be low?
Curiously: Do you mean an all-in cost of $2.5MM or just the purchase price? At 65 CPW, you're looking at a fairly costly renovation. There's also a flip tax and the maintenance is high.
For us, 15 West 84th would be a turnkey no-brainer. The layout is ideal for our lifestyle, the maintenance is reasonable and it's a block from PS9. We wouldn't even have to repaint the pink kids' wing (we have daughters). We even have friends upstairs. The only real negative is that the building is charmless.
Does the "park" have to be Central Park? If not, you might consider...
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/211311-coop-110-riverside-drive-upper-west-side-manhattan.
I don't like the reconfigured floorplan, but it's relatively easy to fix and I love the building.
As for the direction of the market, I'm not really a player in that game. Seriously motivated sellers are already going down to the level of 2005 comps, where they seem to be finding buyers. My guess is an ongoing impasse and slow downward drift, with lots of exclusives expiring unsold because most sellers don't need to sell and most buyers don't want to pay 2006-2007 prices. That is purely a guess, and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter where the market as a whole winds up. What matters is the price of the apartment you really want.
yes, I mean just purchase price. I prefer CPW, but that one on Riverside looks nice but needs some work.
Thanks
Yes, West81st, you're class with a capital K. Always a good read & great insight!