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Post-Covid Listing - Back to 2008 Prices?

Started by yournamehere
over 5 years ago
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https://streeteasy.com/building/90-riverside-drive-new_york/9c?card=1 9C just listed at $1.495M Previous C line sales: 12/2019 - 2C - $1.575M 8/2018 - 5C - $1.655M 8/2017 - 11C - $1.8M 5/2017 - 4C - $1.7M 9/2016 - 12C - $2M 6/2013 - 2C - $1.85M 12/2012 - 10C - $1.6M 10/2012 - 16C - $1.56M 3/2012 - 1C - $1.2M 8/2010 - 4C - $1.25M 5/2010 - 15C - $1.575M 8/2008 - 2C - $1.5M
Response by yournamehere
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Cmon Streeteasy!!

See if this is more readable...

9C just listed at $1.495M

Previous C line sales:
12/2019 - 2C - $1.575M
8/2018 - 5C - $1.655M
8/2017 - 11C - $1.8M
5/2017 - 4C - $1.7M
9/2016 - 12C - $2M
6/2013 - 2C - $1.85M
12/2012 - 10C - $1.6M
10/2012 - 16C - $1.56M
3/2012 - 1C - $1.2M
8/2010 - 4C - $1.25M
5/2010 - 15C - $1.575M
8/2008 - 2C - $1.5M

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Response by front_porch
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maintenance $3343 for 9C in 2020 vs. $1494 for 2C in 2008. That means ...mmm, let me grab the back of an envelope... hikes of around 7% each year.

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Response by yournamehere
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Yep

15C was $2217 in 2010, so 9C was probably around $2000.

~5% annual increase, but your point still stands

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Response by bramstar
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It also needs a full reno (don't let the staging fool you). And let's not forget it is on the 'wrong' side of the building--no river views. River view units are more likely to retain value than back-facing units on RSD.

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Response by George
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Pretty normal, right? Used to be that charges above $1/foot were rare, maybe 15-20 years ago. Union contracts, electricity, water, taxes, and other services are all going up without any real limits. Only way to stop it is to vote with feet.

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Response by yournamehere
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True Bramstar. But all the comps listed are in the C line, so same views

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Response by bramstar
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Yes but the point I am making is the non-view units will have the greater value drop compared to view units, as your example shows.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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To some extent won't that be dependent on original share allocations on a building by building basis?

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Response by yournamehere
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Bramstar, okay. So you’re saying an apartment with a view is less susceptible to downward pricing pressure. Pick your feature - you can apply that logic to any apartment “with top of line appliances”, “in a top neighborhood”, “with lux amenities”, “with low maintenance “, “close to transport”, etc. etc. The list goes on. Soon, any apartment is less susceptible to downward pricing pressure.

This is a family apartment in a prime neighborhood that has historically been very low beta. The price listed goes back at least a decade. Based on an apples-to-apples analysis. You can rationalize this away with “view”, “maintenance “, “appliances”, but the trend vs ALL previous C line transactions (and there are many) is clear.

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