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Insurance Requirements in Coop

Started by renogirl_in_doubt
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2008
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Hi, can somebody tell me whether this is crazy, I have a feeling it is. I asked my coop for approval to replace a wood floor and repair plaster/paint my apartment. They require the following insurance and hold harmless waiver from the contractor: (1) Property Insurance upon all tools, material and equipment (owned, borrowed or leased by the contractor or their employees) to the full replacement... [more]
Response by front_porch
over 17 years ago
Posts: 5316
Member since: Mar 2008

the million-dollar liability insurance might boggle your mind if you've never seen it before, but it is pretty standard.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

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Response by julia
over 17 years ago
Posts: 2841
Member since: Feb 2007

Why did you ask your coop. I've replaced my floor, there weren't any problems.

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Response by renogirl_in_doubt
over 17 years ago
Posts: 18
Member since: Jul 2008

Ali r.: the contractor I had lined up had 1 million of insurance, but not the 5 million they require. Do you still think that is normal? Thanks.

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Response by drdrd
over 17 years ago
Posts: 1905
Member since: Apr 2007

Normal, not normal really isn't the issue. If you want to do the work you need to abide by the rules of the coop. If there was a serious accident or a fire or who knows what & there wasn't sufficient insurance, you & your fellow investors in the coop would be stuck with the bill. Do you want to do the work or don't you?

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Response by manhattanfox
over 17 years ago
Posts: 1275
Member since: Sep 2007

These are standard amounts held by most contractors in ny -- they just name you, the coop and managaing agent as additional insured. Also, coops have deposits during the work in case of damage or breach of building rules such as using oil paint if prohibited, etc. It should not be a problem -- it just means you cannot hire a kid on craigs list...

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Response by Isle_of_Lucy
over 14 years ago
Posts: 342
Member since: Apr 2011

Bump for slightly different situation, two years later. We're trying to do the same cosmetic work as the OP.

Our co-op has the same requirements, and although several of you have said this is normal, I'm finding that *no* contractor that I have contact has the $5 million umbrella policy. The management company is being very nasty and sticking to their requirements, although I doubt this lack of cooperation is coming from the board.

front_porch, drdrd, and manhattanfox all said this is normal. Can anybody recommend a floor & paint person who might have a $5 million umbrella policy? Or can you recommend a way to side-step the nasty management company?

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Response by nyc10023
over 14 years ago
Posts: 7614
Member since: Nov 2008

Isle: I had the same issue with a co-op & the required insurance. I ended up paying for the policy. No way to side-step.

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Response by ab_11218
over 14 years ago
Posts: 2017
Member since: May 2009

get in touch with a board member and see if the board will budge. if they say yes, then send an official request to the board so that during the next board meeting they can tell the morons, i mean management asses, to stuff it.

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Response by Isle_of_Lucy
over 14 years ago
Posts: 342
Member since: Apr 2011

^ nyc and ab, both ways to address the situ, from opposite sides of the coin. You seem to both understand my frustration, and I thank you for that.

nyc, how much did that policy cost? (ballpark.....) Do you remember who you used?

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Response by nyc10023
over 14 years ago
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Member since: Nov 2008

Isle: They're no longer working in NYC. It was in the order of a few thousand dollars (i.e. they had an existing policy and I paid for the upgrade). I was in a rush to complete (time is $) and didn't want to fiddle-faddle with the board. Also, didn't want to get a reputation as a difficult shareholder. I spoke many times to the mgt co. to no avail. In the end, paying a few thousand $ meant no delay attributable to the insurance req's.

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Response by nyc10023
over 14 years ago
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p.s. Not only did the mgt want a larger-than-normal policy (more usual for Gold Coast co-ops), they wanted separate policies for the electrician and plumber which were larger than usual.

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Response by Primer05
over 14 years ago
Posts: 2103
Member since: Jul 2009

I have done projectsin many of the higher end buildings in manhattan.Roughly 98% of them require 1 million with a 2 million umbrella. For a project at Trump place I had to get a 3 million umbrella. I think 5 million insurance for cosmetic work is unbelievable.

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Response by acloudman
almost 12 years ago
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Member since: Apr 2012

Similar situation, similar questions. My contractor says he has a 1 million dollar umbrella, the coop alteration agreement says it requires 3 million umbrella but the managing agent is telling me they want 5 million.

1. Can they decide to randomly require something other than what the alteration agreement specifies?
2. My contractor wants to split the cost. It seems like I should only have to pay 50% of the difference between 3 million and 5 million because it seems like the standard is 3 million. Any one have any idea what this costs? My contractor is saying $3800 to increase from 1 million to 5 million.

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