Upper Manhattan Land Prices down 50%
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http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/upper-manhattan-development-prices-halved Prices for development properties in the northern part of Manhattan may have fallen by about 50 percent as demand dries up due to the tight credit market and the loss of state tax incentives, some brokers say. The prices for development sites have fallen as new condominium and market-rate rental construction has nearly... [more]
http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/upper-manhattan-development-prices-halved Prices for development properties in the northern part of Manhattan may have fallen by about 50 percent as demand dries up due to the tight credit market and the loss of state tax incentives, some brokers say. The prices for development sites have fallen as new condominium and market-rate rental construction has nearly halted, and the limited land sales that are occurring are mostly for affordable rental projects, said Shimon Shkury, a partner at Massey Knakal Realty Services. "There is really no construction financing. There is very little available for residential or anything, and then the 421-a tax abatement was taken away. That is another reason for the decline. Those two really affected the market," he said. He noted that the decline in land values is "about 50 percent, easy," but since so little has traded it is hard to get an accurate sense of pricing. According to Massey Knakal's year-end report for upper Manhattan investment properties, released today, the year-over-year change in value for vacant land declined by just 11 percent to $102 per square foot in 2008 from $115 per square foot in 2007. In the broader investment market in northern Manhattan, which includes development sites, offices and multi-family buildings, sales volume dropped 50 percent to 210 transactions in 2008 from 416 transactions in 2007; and the total dollar volume fell by 59 percent to $736 million in 2008 from $1.8 billion in 2007, the report shows. The report's data included transactions of $500,000 or more north of 110th Street on the West Side and north of 96th Street on the East Side, and did not include sales in which the City of New York was a buyer or seller. Between 2007 and 2008, prices for multi-family assets held up better, he said. Gross rent multiples fell 8 percent to 11.2 and capitalization rates rose .3 points to 5.9 percent, the report said. "Gross rent multiples are lower but not horribly, not significant enough to say the price for multi-family has collapsed. The rental market is still strong and protected" due to rent-stabilized units that generally achieve a guaranteed rental increase each year, he said. Shkury said with development prices so depressed, it was a good time to purchase. "Now is the opportunity for buying relatively inexpensive land and waiting for the market to come back," he said. [less]
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its not so crazy that residential is following land prices
I would think the % change in both the land and housing markets would be similar. An investor can choose either so that must force some sort of equilibrium. Thoughts?
What do you mean that residential is following land prices?
"I would think the % change in both the land and housing markets would be similar. An investor can choose either so that must force some sort of equilibrium. Thoughts?"
I don't believe its a one to one though. Direction, absolutely.
BUT land prices are only part of the development game, you have to figure the building itself. If land is only 20% of the cost, then a 50% decline might only infer a 10% price reduction. Numbers are made up, but I think you get the point. Assuming development costs are relatively fixed, it says more about the "margin".
That being said, when something's value is cut in half, you are talking about a VERY different market...
right, not one to one. What I mean is land is AHEAD of the residential market. It seems that residential is FOLLOWING land prices, to me at least there is some relationship in terms of trend.
Jeff will write about this soon on UD..Its like stocks were following credit markets from late 2007 to late 2008
WHich is it 50% or 11%? According to Massey Knakal's year-end report for upper Manhattan investment properties, released today, the year-over-year change in value for vacant land declined by just 11 percent to $102 per square foot in 2008 from $115 per square foot in 2007.
the y-o-y report says "-11%", the guy talking about where deals are happening at says "-50%, easy"..
I guess its like me saying deals are happening in residential down 15-25% from peak, yet official reports dont show this.
I view this as a postive for properties above the new line drawn for 421-a abatements (somewhere in the 130's). A friend and I have talked about developing a property in our own neighborhood and there are some good lots still available- but prices just made it unrealistic to consider unless the market continued to skyrocket- which didn't seem possible.
Perhaps in 2010 or 2011 we might consider the idea again.
UD is correct. Land values lead residential, but they are also more volatile than residential because they are a bit like an option on development. It is not clear when the development game gets restarted or when financing becomes available. Fully improved property has a use today and can command rent today. Apartment prices won't decline as much as land values.