Kitchen and Bath LABOR costs for Renovation

Based on my past experience, assuming that there are no major plumbing or electrical issues to deal with, those seem like reasonable "ball park" estimates.

It just isn't usually calculated with such a breakdown. You aren't going to be supplying every pipe and fitting and drywall and wiring and flooring patch and toilet seal, etc. Demo removal isn't labor either. The appliances are one thing and not a big deal to purchase on one's own (although I advise against it -- see other threads -- if you have the financial ability to have the GC do it). Same with light fixtures: easy to do on your own for the most part. But as for cabinetry, for example: are you really going to spend $20-25K on highend custom millwork and then have the contractor install it if he didn't order it? Who will be responsible for damage? How will damage get fixed? What if sizing is wrong--who is responsible? The amount of finger pointing will be unworkable IMO. Same for, say, bath tile or tempered glass partitions. Measure wrong, and who is responsible? Damage upon installation and how does it get fixed? Wrong amoung of tile ordered and now what? These are headaches best left in one party's hands and not divied up. It is very hard to get a good highend job if you don't let the GC do the GC's job and you are trying to save money at every turn by ordering yourself. This is a recipe for a very frustrating job.

So breaking out appliances and lighting isn't a big deal. But what is left is hardly just "labor."

This is a pretty simple article, but maybe it can be a starting point for you. It's at http://www.hgtv.com/home-improvement/plan-your-total-bathroom-remodel-budget/index.html

I get what you're saying in terms of labor. And my plan wasn't to order everything myself - it's just that I can estimate the cost of the goods I'm buying... but not "the rest" which you're right is proably not labor. And my guess is if you're doing nothing out of the ordinary that "the rest" is pretty static, whereas the variation in costs of appliances and fixtures is much larger.

The problem with things like the HGTV article, is that from what I've heard "the rest" piece in NYC is much much larger than elsewhere.

Thanks so much!

Our labor cost for a similar sized renovation was 28K. We received another bid for 20K and one for 50K. All bids included rough materials (sheet rock, nails, screws, wiring, pipes, etc.) and we also moved a gas line which adds to the bill (need a certified plumber). We really liked our guy - on time, on budget, good ideas (we did not use a designer or architect). Happy to refer if you'd like - otnyc1_at_gmail_dot_com.