2 Kitchens?
Started by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 5 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2009
Discussion about 45 Gramercy Park North #1A/2A
I thought 2 Kitchens was against NYC building codes?
From the floorplan it looks like the secondary 'kitchen' does not have any cooking elements (range, stove, etc) so it wouldn't be counted as a full kitchen per code requirements. The listing agent should have labeled it as a butler pantry or wet-bar rather than 'kitchen'.
Where's the nice kitchen (11th pic)?
To me that looks like the secondary kitchen (sans cooking equipment) on the upper floor of the unit.
And by the way, it seems crazy that a $5+M apartment would have its full kitchen (with crummy little 'dining area') on the level with the bedrooms. How's anyone supposed to entertain properly? Clearly the combo wasn't really thought out well and based on the photos it would need a lot of reconfiguring to make it functional as a grand residence. At the moment it seems to be just two apartments attached inelegantly.
It has always been my understanding in the ever pliable NYC that you can have two kitchens if you certify it is needed for religious reasons.
bramstar,
Then what's the 12th pic?
The 12th pic, dearest 30yrs, is the the 'before' (ie: current and crappy) image of the same space that has been envisioned with the help of photoshop in pic 11.
And yes, NYC Sport--the orthodox Jewish community is permitted two kitchens per residence so they can keep kosher per religious requirements.
If you're not orthodox you'd need to find a rabbi to pay off to certify you as requiring the exemption.
That's not exactly hard
Also, I think only restriction is on stoves/eqt not on refrigerators and cabinets as they do not want 2 families to be sharing the space meant for one family. Wonder how DOB will enforce if the owner puts an additional one if the gas connection is there or have an induction stove after permits are closed.
Yep restriction is only on cooking appliances. You can legally have a second fridge, sink. DW, etc. Just not a stove/oven. You can even have a microwave. And who's to say that ooops! that microwave doesn't accidentally become an in-wall oven after permits are closed?
Does the definition of "microwave" include "microwave/convection oven" combo unit? Would that be specifically not permitted? I have a built-in Bosch that is just that. While it's a bit small for serious baking and large meals, it's all the oven that many New Yorkers would need for their first or second kitchen.
Aaron--you might be able to slide that one under the radar.
I'm going to point out that "if it doesn't have a cooking device then it's not a kitchen" loophole doesn't mean you can have 2 kitchens. It means people are bending over backwards to classify the second one as "not a kitchen." Otherwise why would they be jumping through hoops?