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Central light fixtures in NYC bedrooms

Started by Rrolack
almost 5 years ago
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In many bedrooms of NYC apartments pictured here, it seems like the bedrooms often do not use a central light fixture. In fact, I believe many bedrooms are not wired for it (i.e. no junction box in the ceiling). Instead, these bedroom will rely completely on floor lamps / table lamps for lighting. Personally I've always felt that without a central fixture, the light is often insufficiently bright, and also very shadowy. How do folks manage this? Are they happy with the lighting from just lamps? Or do they do something else to brighten up the room?
Response by 300_mercer
almost 5 years ago
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For rental, Torchiere lamp. You can get fairly powerful LED ones.

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Response by Rrolack
almost 5 years ago
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I was asking more about a purchase (not a rental).

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Response by 300_mercer
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Up light sconce or add recessed. Torchiere is always an option.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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I hate not having lighting you can control by a switch by the door (or remote).

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Response by stache
almost 5 years ago
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I had an overhead light in my hallway that I switched into a light for the coat closet. The same wall switch turns it on. All the bedrooms in the Midwest have the ugly overhead bedroom light. Great for finding something small that falls on the floor I guess but very unflattering.

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Response by ph41
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When we renovated we had the electrician put in a 3 way (4 way?) light switch right near the bedroom door which controls an outlet next to the bed across the room. That outlet controls lamps on both sides of the bed. Turn on lamps at night from wall switch , turn off lamps at night and and on in the morning from lamps at bedside

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Response by ph41
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But I did the lighting plan for the apartment and was very careful to put in 2 way controls (e.g. hallways, service entrance, kitchen areas,) wherever I thought we might be entering/ leaving from different directions

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Response by ph41
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But also have recessed lighting on 2 other switches when we need it for a lot of light

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Response by 300_mercer
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Robert AM Stern gets the importance of overhead light. You do not have to have it full blast and use it as the only source but it is a great source of ambient light.

https://streeteasy.com/building/220-central-park-south-new_york/36b

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Response by ph41
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Every light in our house (and we have a LOT of lighting) is on a dimmer switch

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Response by RichardBerg
almost 5 years ago
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I have dimmers everywhere, but I'm pretty sure the only time I've ever used them is for eating while the projector is on.

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Response by front_porch
almost 5 years ago
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Many of my clients put sconces by/above the bed -- it's not "more light" than tableside lamps, but it's up higher, and that has a nice effect. I don't have sconces, but I was fairly happy with just lamps until Covid hit, and then I found myself working from my bedroom a lot.

If it has to be your office too, I don't know what the answer is.

ali r.
{upstairs realty}

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Response by Aaron2
almost 5 years ago
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My BR has a switch by the door that controls a wall outlet, into which I have plugged a table lamp -- it's mostly decorative ambient light. There's a dimmer that controls the outlets for the picture lights. There's also a halogen torchiere (on a line-cord mounted dimmer) by the bed for when I need reading-in-bed lighting or it can be turned up to investigate the monsters that might be under the bed. Every single hard wired light in the house is on a dimmer. The non-hard wired lamps and such also have line-cord dimmers. A life without dimmers is a life not worth living.

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Response by RichardBerg
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What are some occasions to have lights at less than 100%? Slow dancing?

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Response by multicityresident
almost 5 years ago
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"What are some occasions to have lights at less than 100%? Slow dancing?"

Every occasion. If it is not natural light provided by a window, a candle would be my preference. If a living space I inhabit comes equipped with overhead lights, they are never used - except for bathrooms and kitchen, where overhead lights are a must.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 5 years ago
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Ha.
1. Many people would want very dim light when they use the bathroom at night vs when they are getting ready.
2. For cleaning, you want brighter lights.
3. Watching TV you already covered.
4. Also, if it is getting close to bedtime, you want dimmer lights vs when you are reading.
5. Relaxing/conversation lighting level is lower than other activities.
6. Then of course you know mood lighting.

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Response by nyc_sport
almost 5 years ago
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Like the others, every light in our apartment is on a dimmer, most from multiple locations, including the closets. My wife has never turned a light on full blast in her life. The main entertaining space has two Lutron central lighting systems, every other room has banks of multi-location dimmer switches, including (crucially) by the beds. When we moved into a temporary rental during a renovation, I changed most of the rental switches out for dimmers. As with MCR, if there were no dimmers, virtually none of our lights ever would be turned on.

While we did the apartment set-up as part of a gut renovation, technology has simplified this. As one COVID project, I changed out every switch on our weekend house to a Lutron RA lighting system -- as I recall over 75 of them in total. Not cheap -- they are about $100 each -- but it retrofits a whole-house central lighting system. Every light is controllable from anywhere (including an "all off" button by our bed). If there is not a wall switch where you want one, you can put one anywhere with no hard wires. You can control lights and shades remotely, program lighting/shade scenes and schedules, create geofencing so lights go on/off when your cellphone is within/without range (i.e., entering/leaving the driveway), etc.

There are much simpler (and cheaper) solutions if all you want to do is put a switch on a wall where there currently is not one to control a light. A Lutron "Pico" switch can be mounted to a wall anywhere and paired to a "Caseta" remote wall switch or plug-in dimmer. The dimmer and switch is probably $50.

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Response by RichardBerg
almost 5 years ago
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I am exhausted just reading about this! I flip all the lights on when I enter a room, flip them off when I leave, the end.

(Ok, the use case of needing to see a dinner plate in a blacked-out media room happens maybe once a week. But that's pretty niche...most people don't even own front projectors.)

Ironically I have several friends in the lighting design field, both for commercial installations and on stage. They helped me pick appropriate color temps, aim cans at artwork, etc. And they do wax philosophical about dimmers, like you folks do, but thankfully those can be ignored in everyday operation.

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Response by Aaron2
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@RichardBerg - Some of the setup can be exhausting, and as nyc_sport notes, of non-trivial expense, as well as simple overkill -- I'm capable of getting up from my chair to adjust the wall mounted dimmer, rather than just waving a hand in the air in the general direction of the light (were I mobility impaired, I would rethink that last bit). But, the ability to adjust light (curtains, venetian blinds, lamp choices and locations, dimmers, etc. gives me tremendous flexibility in how I use the various parts of my apartment, provides instant (if limited) 'redecorating', and (to get all Marie Kondo about it), lets me add a bit of fun and joy to what is otherwise a very utilitarian function.
(And yes, part of my background is in lighting design and the arts).

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