Square Ft Mirage
Started by Ethan129
almost 5 years ago
Posts: 157
Member since: Sep 2007
Discussion about 151 West 17th Street #PHF
This apt isn’t even close to the 3,000+ sq ft listed. Yes, I know that listed square footage is is always more than actual but this apt reaches a whole new level. Excluding the terrace, it’s actually around 2,000 sq ft. Either the listing includes the terrace sq ft, which it shouldn’t, or this apt includes a lot of space in the stairwells, behind the walls, etc. Unlivable square footage. And I’m not even talking about the $9,000 per month Maint+Taxes which is insane. The owner or broker are living in 2014. Good luck!
What do you think is the foot-print of each floor including exterior walls?
Did you intentionally post this thread 20 times?
Not exactly the sort of exaggeration that I would get excited about. The 3,106 number is what appears in the declaration, separate from +/-1200 sq ft of outdoor space. Looks to me more like the footprint is more like 35x40, which would make that a bit generous and include common areas, but the price arguably reflects the generous ruler.
Sport, If you include exterior walls, you will get 1500 sq ft plus per floor. Of course, some people want to exclude even interior walls and closets.
"But condos and townhouses are measured differently; a condo’s size is based on its interior walls, whereas the square footage of townhouse includes the exterior walls.
Miller says that can result in a 15 percent differential, making a 4,506 square feet townhouse equivalent to a 3,800 square foot condo. "
https://www.brickunderground.com/blog/2014/06/ask_an_expert_condo_townhouse
While I respect what Jonathan Miler is saying, interior wall to interior wall standard is long gone for condos. Middle of shared walls is very common and exterior may be from the window glass which practically means exterior walls for new buildings. If any one has any excerpts from various condo plans, it would be interesting to see some examples.
From USW15 offering plan article 7 titles Dimensions of the Units. So no more interior of the exterior wall and I do not disagree with Jonathan Miller lightly.
"Units are measured horizontally from the exterior side of the exterior walls (columns, mechanical pipes, shafts, shaft ways, ...... are not deducted) to the centerline of the partitions separating one Unit from another Unit, or the exterior of the interior walls and partitions separating a Unit from public corridors ........"
111 Murray from exterior of the exterior wall to the middle of the shared wall with no deduction for structural / mechanical elements inside.
Greenwich Lane the same.
Just in case anyone was wondering why 300_mercer would choose the Offering Plans of a few other buildings than the one we are actually talking about, it's because the Offering Plan for THIS building says;
"Each residential unit consists of the area measured horizontally from the exterior walls..."
In other words, specifically NOT "the exterior side of the exterior walls," so instead he's trying to cherry pick from some of the few Offering Plans which say say that. Since he obviously knows how to access Offering Plans, why would he choose other buildings besides this one?
30, I didn’t find offering plan for this one in ACRIS and I only looked up some new buildings at random and these were the only ones. As I suggested in the post above, post a few more and will appreciate the full excerpt of the listing in question.
" If any one has any excerpts from various condo plans, it would be interesting to see some examples."
I think its like officiating sports......
Whether your calling holding or letting them play
Whether your calling traveling or considering it motion of the play
Whether your calling the pitch an inch off the black a strike or a ball
Most will accept anything as long as its consistent
Floorplans need hard rules that are enforced.
In the absence of rules, what is important is not to get set into your thinking, become aware of the changing world around you and try to evolve. Or you become dinosaur. Keith is someone who has evolved with the changing market place and providing what his customer want.
Why be old fashioned and stick to square feet which are 12" x 12"? Try smaller ones and count more of them.