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Low-Budget Kitchen Makeover

Started by callalily
about 17 years ago
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We are looking to sell our coop apt on the UWS and want to do something to fix up the original 40s-era kitchen -- besides painting it. We are on a tight budget and do NOT want to get into major renovations. How can I find somebody to do the following? * Rip out some cabinets (not to be replaced) as well as a broom closet * Replace damaged double sink cabinet (and maybe sinks), preferably with... [more]
Response by front_porch
about 17 years ago
Posts: 5316
Member since: Mar 2008

I think the place to start is with your super. Especially if you want to keep your costs down, you'll want to hire him or hire through him.

Switching out the appliances, putting in new hardware, fixing cabinet doors, putting down vinyl tile floors -- that's all easy stuff to do. Installing a new cabinet and new countertops are the hardest, because if they're not squared up and level they won't look good, but a good super or handyman should be able to make it look nice.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

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Response by Squid
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

For what it's worth, I wouldn't do half what you're suggesting. Most buyers of older apartments prefer to reno kitchens and baths to their own specifications; a quick-fix job that will just have to be ripped out is often seen as more of a hindrance than a plus. IMO there is absolutely no reason to spend money on installing new appliances, cabinets, flooring and countertops which will only wind up in the dump once the place is sold.

That said, if your stove and sink are non-functional, you'll want to remedy that before any inspections/appraisals occur.

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Response by kas242
about 17 years ago
Posts: 332
Member since: May 2008

I second Squid. It sounds like the kitchen is in pretty rough shape. Short of a major make-over, any buyer is going to see the easy (cheap) touches for what they are. It's a waste of money on your part since you are never going to make it look like a complete renovation. Just fix anything that isn't functional and price the apt. accordingly.

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Response by alanhart
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2007

Yes, and spend the saved time doing things that you enjoy instead of getting aggravated by the problems of even minor kitchen improvements.

Whatever style you pick, your potential buyer will like something else. And for all we know, that potential buyer has a thing for authentic vintage 1940s kitchens.

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Response by alpine292
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Jun 2008

Don't do it. It sounds like your going to do a third grade quality renovation and anything you do is going to be have to be ripped out and re-done by the buyer. Your better off doing nothing, lowering the price, and marketing the place as a fixer. Maybe your agent can include the words "Needs TLC" so that this way people who want a modern kitchen with granite counters don't waste your time or their time looking at your apartment.

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Response by wavedeva
about 17 years ago
Posts: 209
Member since: Jan 2006

Don't renovate. A crappy renovation will cause doubts in the minds of most potential buyers. If I saw a kitchen renovation with formica countertops and vinyl tile floors I would pass on the apartment. Half done kitchen renovations (i.e., where the appliances don't match) are also a joke.

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Response by alpine292
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Jun 2008

My suggestion is to leave everything alone, but to just paint in oder to freshen up the space. Paint the walls. Paint the ceiling. Paint the cabinets. And use neutral colors.

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Response by manhattanfox
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2007

aell as quickly as possible. i suspect the value added of a touch up will be lost in time attrition and decline of the market...

Surely declutter and touch up and clean spic and span.... Good luck to you.

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Response by tina24hour
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Jun 2008

calalily - what size is the apartment? Location? Give some details to the folks on this board - there may be buyers right here...

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Response by manhattanfox
about 17 years ago
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Careful - Do NOT give details so freely until you make your decisions and choices -- brokers may be trying to prelist the apartment to collect a fee...

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Response by wishhouse
about 17 years ago
Posts: 417
Member since: Jan 2008

This is my opinion as a potential buyer who doesn't mind the idea of a fixer upper:
* Rip out some cabinets (not to be replaced) as well as a broom closet - If this is to create space, then it's a good idea. Pulling stuff out is fine and cheap. Just make sure it doesn't leave a mess behind. Buyers, even those who plan to renovate, have trouble imagining the space beyond what it is.
* Replace damaged double sink cabinet (and maybe sinks), preferably with something ready-made. - Probably not worth it. Buyer will replace it when he/she redoes the kitchen.
* Install new countertops (formica?) and maybe vinyl tile floors - definitely not worth it.
* Replace hardware on cabinetry - probably worth it. This is cheap to do, and will take a few years off the place.
* Put in new range - not worth it.
* Maybe install a new dishwasher - not worth it unless it's broken.
* Install a cabinet above the stove to hold a microwave - depend on the current cabinet configuration and if you can do this and have it match the other cabinets.
* Fix cabinet doors which don't close properly (wooden) - not worth it- they'll replace them anyway.

If you're going to go beyond painting, focus on small cosmetic things rather than low-end improvements. Make sure the place is spotless too. Have the floors rewaxed and hire a deep cleaner. Keep the decor minimal so the buyers see the space, not the place.

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Response by callalily
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Oct 2008

Thank you all for the FANTASTIC advice. Makes me breathe much easier.

About my apt: it is actually not a dump or a fixer-upper -- it has a "vintage" kitchen, which yes, I do actually like. They don't make cabinets like they used to. Remember, not all that glitters is granite :-)

The apt consists of 1,000 sq ft.(2 BR/1 BA), not luxurious, but classy. On beaut., *prime*, tree-lined street. Well-run drman building with solid financials. Herringbone, sunken LR, 3 exposures. (WIC -- I think.)

We want to "break open our piggy bank" before the market goes south, but honestly, I am not sure that I will be able to press the "Sell" button when the time comes!

Do you really think it matters if we rush the apt to mkt in a few weeks vs. a few mos?

Thanks again.

L.

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Response by drdrd
about 17 years ago
Posts: 1905
Member since: Apr 2007

I'm no expert, certainly, but if I had a unit I wanted to sell I would list it THIS VERY MINUTE. I don't have a crystal ball but from what I'm hearing & feeling, prices are goin' down. How far? Who knows? I do feel that it will be a while before they head UP which is, of course, what every seller wants.

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Response by kylewest
about 17 years ago
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Member since: Aug 2007

I recently sold an apartment with a beat up kitchen and bathroom that could be lived with but 90% of buyers would want to gut them. Instead of some cheap makeover that a new buyer would just tear out and not want to have paid for in the purchase price of the unit, I scrubbed them mercilessly so at least they were immaculately clean. I decluttered even inside the cabinets, put on new shower curtain, got all new dish towels, and for about $100 was done with it. By properly staging the rest of the apartment, it sold within 30 days. DECLUTTER to the point of austerity; CLEAN fanatically; REMOVE YOURSELF by eliminating toiletries, laundry, photos, all personal bedstand objects, etc so a buyer can picture themselves living there and not you. CLEAN THE WINDOWS.

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Response by front_porch
about 17 years ago
Posts: 5316
Member since: Mar 2008

Spring is traditionally the best sales season; people with kids want to be able to move during the summer; renters with accountants get yelled at to go get tax deductions; and it's more fun to shop as the weather gets better.

If you're serious about selling, you probably want to be on the market by the end of February. But listing now vs. listing then, there's probably not much of a difference.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

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Response by manhattanfox
about 17 years ago
Posts: 1275
Member since: Sep 2007

List now -- sell for the holidays. nobody with kids is shopping for a 2BR one BA. The market is likely to worsen. Sooner=better at this stage in the cycle.

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Response by inquirer
about 17 years ago
Posts: 335
Member since: Aug 2007

callalily -- there's a caveat. What looks for you as cosy and "vintage", might be revolting to a buyer. I say this as a buyer. I walked in, smelled the smell, saw the AWFUL condition of the kitchen and bathroom and just couldn't make myself get past the lifestyle of the place. Depressing. It must be avoided at all cost. The place I saw could not be just painted, it was too far gone. Ask somebody to take a look at your place with impartial eyes, a decorator or something.

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