Opinion of Tribeca near Greenwich St

Have you looked at this unit?

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/869708-condo-101-warren-street-tribeca-new-york

Notice the building's promotional video (on the building page, not the listing) was taken down by YouTube due to a copyright infringement complaint.

I personally have never understood the attraction of Tribeca, except that it is close to Fidi, quiet and has nice spaces. But for me is not one of the nicer neighborhoods. I just find it so quiet and lacking in the NY energy, which is what makes Manhattan so incredible. Not sure why you would not want to live in WV, which has quiet spots, and is so nice. You're a young guy so live somewhere fun.

Overall though, strongly suggest that you rent for a time. Just get something furnished for 6 months and try out Tribeca. What's the rush?

Tribeca is really starting to take off though energy-wise though. There are obviously many metrics, but look at the number of Michelin starred restaurants in the area vs. any other neighborhood.

Be careful....that whole area is a flood zone and got hit hard during Sandy. Tribeca on the east side is far more desirable

Every time I have gone to Tribeca it has been to eat. And yes restaurants are usually good, but I find them so formulaic and lacking in genuine atmosphere. You know the adage: money can't buy taste (but I guess it can buy good food). But maybe that is the point: if the goal is to live in the place with most Michelin-star restaurants then maybe this is the place for you. Yawn.

Ottawa, why would you ever leave Williamsburg to eat? Grass greaner?

On Tribeca in general: the Manhattan neighborhood with the greatest concentration of high-end sales and smallest concentration of low-end sales. I.e., "the market" values Tribeca very highly. In terms of safety, everyone has their own spidey-sense of when they feel safe or anxious, so you need to walk around (at night) to get a sense of how these streets feel *to you*. Generally, I believe the First Precinct stats will show a low level of street crime.

On these particular blocks: the people who like that area of Greenwich Street like the proximity to Soho (+ the river) and the still-gritty feel compared to other micro-nabes of Tribeca, while the people who don't like it feel it is a little isolated (having to cross The Canal north, with the restaurant row of Greenwich St a bunch of blocks south) *and* are concerned with potential Ponte Family properties being developed or sold. That block of Warren is obviously a very commercial area, with easy access to the subways strung along Chambers, the river and Washington Market park, and the lower Greenwich restaurants, but some people feel the pedestrian traffic is overwhelming (with PS 234 parents, Stuyvesant HS students, and even BOMCC students). About "Hudson St", the answer depends entirely on whether you are close to Chambers (my view of Prime Tribeca) or opposite the spillways to the Holland Tunnel; if you are in that northern stretch and are home when the cars back up with tunnel / Canal gridlock, the hubbub can be ... unsettling.

Each of these is a generalization, of course. And your mileage may vary. I *highly* recommend TribecaCitizen.com as a street-level resource for what's going on in Tribeca.

Not too. Long ago TriBeCa was rated the most expensive area in Manhattan. Now I believe it has reverted back to the upper east side.

But regardless TriBeCa for me is so classy. Warehouse buildings converted to incredible lofts and cobblestone streets, great restaurants and shoppes. And yes it is not as dense as other neighborhoods which is a plus.

And the whole foods market on Greenwich is the best one in the city; if not the country, a block long, have to,check this one out.

streetsmart I have to agree. However, if your young,single, cool and a swinger like Ottawa then TriBeca is not the right area for you. Best hang out in the meat packing district or Greenwich Village that's where the action is for you'll find Ottawa and all the other cool people hanging out there.

BTW if you have kids PS 234 is probably one of the best public schools in the city and maybe in New York.

Meatpacking, East OR West village, actually. But otherwise yes houser.

Yes guys, meat packing is where it is at. Sounds like it is right up your alley.

TriBeCa is family oriented hood. You have to be at least 35 if you are single. Village, flatiron, Soho are places to be for a rich single guy in his 20s.

Nix the Village if he's gay.

Matt, do not be silly. Village is one of the most gay friendly areas perhaps after Chelsea.

Only when you're not being shot in the face right on Sixth Avenue ...

And Chelsea is quickly becoming not so gay-friendly. Too many breeders.

Matt, When was the last time you lived downtown below 23 rd street?

2006.

But you don't have to LIVE down there to see the damage that's been done.

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/35410-for-45mm-which-tribeca-apartment-do-you-prefer

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/5274-tribeca-is-overrated

TriBeCa is one of thee nicest areas for architectures in my opinion but it is really for young parents. If you work at Goldman Sachs or like to have stroller wars and wait for hours in line at Whole Foods, then south TriBeCa might be for you. The north is really isolated and very quickly too close to Canal street, the tunnels, etc...
Restaurants on Greenwich st are nice but that s about it for the nightlife. My opinion is that the south might become a living hell once the WTC opens (even though it might increase the value of your apt). It s not hard to imagine big retail chains closed in the weekend like in Midtown and lots of tourists. Also, remember Sandy, the west part is prone to flooding.
Young and wealthy.. I would target Soho or the Village.
It s a good time to buy, good luck.

A lot has changed in 4 years...

"And Chelsea is quickly becoming not so gay-friendly. Too many breeders."

Insane. The Census says Chelsea is FAR gayer than Washington Heights. My own eyes tell me so.

Jason, you spend a lot of time looking at the Census.

>The north is really isolated and very quickly too close to Canal street, the tunnels, etc...
>My opinion is that the south might become a living hell once the WTC opens (even though it might increase the value of your apt).

What is your definition of North Tribeca and South Tribeca?

chelsea is well on its way to becoming yet another mall, a la soho.

painful the hordes of obese waist-pack-wearing tourists wondering wtf possessed them to go to the highline, when they could be shopping outlets somewhere.

Looks like Michael White has joined he neighborhood...

http://tribecacitizen.com/2013/06/25/new-kid-on-the-block-the-butterfly/

north part of tribeca is historic ,charming and true tribeca and the isolation is big part of the attraction of living there,your close to action but far enough away .south part is very commercial and is not really tribeca proper,in fact tribeca always ended south at chambers however as area got hot the areas south of chambers were added by real estate types to pump up prices . soho has become times square south,west village is good choice also.

"in fact tribeca always ended south at chambers "

Did it?

Yes, Jason, it did. South of Chambers is the Financial District.

Yes, Matt, it did and still is.
jason will now start "ignoring" you.

>soho has become times square south,west village is good choice also

for Soho, Canal and Houston are really the natural boundaries. RE agents are expanding it to the west, they don't dare (yet) to expand it north or south...
By the way, the question SEFRop asks about includes the 400's of Greenwich st which are in this "west Soho" area (and it is really secluded)
For the West Village, I have read some prospectus from a couple of years ago locating a building on w13th and Hudson in Greenwich Village. Now it appears as in the West Village in SE...
Developers can do better and create hoods altogether... Nolita, Noho,..

Thirteenth and Hudson has been considered "West Village" as long as there has been a "West Village" which happened in the 1980s. Before that it was just "The Village" or "The West Side". But once "West Village" came (regretably) in common usage, 13th and Hudson was definitely there. Boundaries are 14th Street (North), Houston (South) River (West) and 7th Avenue (East). I don't know who came up with "West Village" but its usage did coincide with a rapid gentrification of the neighborhood percipitated largely by co-op conversions and, tragically, the AIDS epidemic.

"Boundaries
Vesey St. to Canal St., Broadway to Hudson River"

http://nymag.com/realestate/articles/neighborhoods/tribeca.htm

See also

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=tribeca&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89c25a1f938ba715:0x4553612f06be2498,Tribeca,+New+York,+NY&gl=us&ei=pqDRUdzLMvCo0wX_sIHACQ&ved=0CLoFELYD

If you come back with super technical historical anecdotes, I will come back with others showing that the FIRST official boundaries were so narrow they excluded even chambers. What matters is now.

"south part is very commercial and is not really tribeca proper"

Give me a break one of the most snobbiest statements on the board yet. "Tribeca proper" You are such a douchebag

There are no super historical anecdotes to tell, except to note that
0. all of the areas being discussed here are now thoroughly soaked in douchebaggery, so what's the difference?
1. the neighborhood name was a confectionary delight invented from whole cloth, in an attempt to be clever in mockery of the similarly fraudulent overlay, "SoHo"
2. given that it's naming inspiration includes "Triangle", the first official boundaries ARE the triangle, and it can never be appropriate to expand them. Unless the expanded "greater" area is called GreTriBeCa or something. So Jason the Retard's promised comeback map is it.
3. It was not the Financial District. That's far away. But that's a step in the right direction: these areas were, for generations, mostly indusrial/wholesale (although they included residential areas like "Little Syria"), and were named for their tiny little business hyper-specialties. There was a butter & eggs market district, a pre-Hunts Point produce market, a radio parts district, etc. The "names" were helpful for anyone who had any reason to be there, except maybe for Julius Knipl.
4. Maps from places like nymag, google, streeteasy, etc. do their best, in a somewhat lazy and non-caring way, to cut up the pie into reasonably uniform pieces, but it doesn't usually work very well.

It is true that Vesey and West doesn't really feel like Franklin and West Broadway... Would be more correct to talk about "Tribeca" and "prime Tribeca".

TriBeCa'

"Feel" is not the determinant of a neighborhood.

Bedford-Stuyvesant and Harlem both "feel" like festering murderous slums, but they're entirely different neighborhoods. TriBeCa will "feel" somewhat different from block to block, and even from within each block, but it's all TriBeCa unless it's not. The number "1" feels very different from the number "8,835", but each is its own value, even if one seems like it's purple and smells like rutabaga, while the other number feels more like a muted ecru and smells like newly-manufactured car tires.

>alanhart

First Tribeca was originally limited to Chambers... It s not because street easy now says Vesey and West is Tribeca that it is what people imagine when you tell them Tribeca... So yes, feel is not the deterinant of a neighborhood on SE, but it is what makes the lifestyle and the value. And sometimes the feel has history to support itself.

"First Tribeca was originally limited to Chambers.."

Nope, it was even more limited than that, originally.

But now, pretty much every NYC offical map, RE broker, neighborhood guide, etc agrees on the above boundaries.

TriBeCa was TriBeCa long before "prime" TriBeCa began to feel the way it does today. Even my I-pad Mimi is smart enough to capitalize the t, b and c, because the word stands for TRIANGLE below canal, not some four-sided geometric mess it becomes if you cut it off at Chambers.

Hahaha iPad Mimi!

For quite some time after TriBeCa was named, it was full of desperately poor artists, titty bars, punk clubs, disused loading bays that had not yet been turned into storefronts for ridiculous businesses, and here and there some truckers' late-night eateries. That's what "prime" TriBeCa felt like. Tomorrow "prime" TriBeCa will feel like a shopping mall at street level, with a virtual ghost town of disused pieds-a-terre stacks of ranch-houses above, renovated every five years out of a desperation to stay "hep", with the owners receiving major cosmetic surgery in the alternate fifth years for the same reason.

Also JFK Jr lived there as did Tom Freston above a dry cleaner.

True, greensdale.
"SOHO" was a known entity (regardless of boundary streets) as was "Chelsea". Both were named after London, England's neighborhoods of the same name.
No Englishmen/women gives a flying fig about the nomenclature of those neighborhoods,in London.

Just beware of the "Werewolves of London", who were seen in Mayfair.

http://www.nydailynews.com/1.742329#bmb=1

More attention being paid to his doctor's orders and JFK JR. would still be alive (living in Tribeca, or whatever other neighborhood).

"He's that hairy-handed gent
who ran amuck in Kent,
lately he's been overheard in Mayfair..." (Warren Zevon, "Werewolves Of London")

More irrelevant verbal diarrhea (probably coinciding with actual diarrhea) from trUth. Trying hard, as usual, to destroy a thread.

And an article by Baird Jones from greenberg? Really???

"More attention being paid to his doctor's orders"

... do as you say, not as you do

^^ Nothing has been destroyed by my comment. Looking, as usual to start a fight trollalanhart.
(within a minute of my comment being posted).

greensdale: the alkie has taken issue with the article link you posted.

Children, children: Please - enough already!

Arguing over something so ridiculous - when a story as newsworthy as THIS is circulating?!?

Really now!

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3529941

Oh wait: I just realized the subjects ARE somewhat interrelated: PD has her very own little triangle [probably way] below [her] canal!

I have to wonder if she'll do a scene where she climbs into a giant roasting pan, utilizing a baster in very innovative ways...

Walpurgis: Thanks for trying to intercede here.
alanhart is a troll and his behavior/abusive comments have continued, unabated.

No problem, Truth.

So whaddaya waiting for?!? I'll get the pan; you get the baster & let's get busy!

walpurgis:
Please don't try to intercede.
streeteasy has suggested to me today(7/2/13) that I just ignore the trolls.
streeteasy believes that the trolls are trying to engage me and that I should just keep them on "ignore".

How about this one that just came to market? http://montskyrealestate.com/properties/51-warren-street-apartment-4e/ It's under 3mm and on Warren St, heart of Tribeca

I couldn't believe the statements made by alanhart about Jason and Truth, until I googled Alan Hart, and now I understand.